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  • GNOME 3.0 May Not Come Until September 2010

    Phoronix: GNOME 3.0 May Not Come Until September 2010

    Back in July of 2008 we learned of GNOME 3.0 as plans were laid out during the GUADEC '08 conference to make the GNOME 2.30 release their "3.0" version. A art and user-interface followed months later and then this April the GNOME 3.0 road-map was laid out that put this release, which will overhaul the GNOME desktop in comparison to the usual incremental releases, to come in March of 2010...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzY3MQ

  • #2
    Between Windows 7, MacOS and Kde4...... what is the purpose of gnome? We don't need another Windows 98 user interface do we?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by bulletxt View Post
      Between Windows 7, MacOS and Kde4...... what is the purpose of gnome? We don't need another Windows 98 user interface do we?
      i cant believe i had to do this. I mean, seriously.


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      • #4
        It's probably best if it got pushed back a little. I'm sure the GNOME guys don't want to repeat KDE 4.0

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        • #5
          Originally posted by pvtcupcakes View Post
          It's probably best if it got pushed back a little. I'm sure the GNOME guys don't want to repeat KDE 4.0
          Agreed, I like the idea of a nicer interface for gnome, but the current state of gnome-shell doesn't build a whole lot of confidence in having something stable and feature full by March.

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          • #6
            Yeah I agree as well. Better later and good than sooner and shitty.

            @L33F3R
            Good shot hahaha!

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            • #7
              I really like the way Gnome shell is going, but i'm glad they are going to take more time to finish it. Its still missing a lot of functionality.

              I'm satisfied with using classic Gnome for now anyway, as i'm sure a lot of people are.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by pvtcupcakes View Post
                It's probably best if it got pushed back a little. I'm sure the GNOME guys don't want to repeat KDE 4.0
                You also forget to mention that it's better to be KDE4 than Enlightenment e17.

                Or better to be KDE4 than to be Gnome even. Gnome 2.0 game out in 2002. In 7 years, can you honestly name me 5 major improvements? Do they even have a stable full featured music manager yet? (IIRC Banshee still doesn't support sorting by genre). Clean or not, that's a damn shame.

                And I say this as a gnome users on Gentoo.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by L33F3R View Post
                  i cant believe i had to do this. I mean, seriously.


                  Oh come on now, at least show a pic of Win98 with the plus pack installed And of course your Gnome is 8 mb as well right?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by L33F3R View Post
                    i cant believe i had to do this. I mean, seriously.

                    Comparing Real W98 with fake Gnome screen-shot?



                    This is real and actual "vanilla" gnome with its typical W98 appearance. And in version 3.0, it will be much more similar to W98, Because the triple menu will be replaced with single button activities menu.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by bulletxt View Post
                      Between Windows 7, MacOS and Kde4...... what is the purpose of gnome? We don't need another Windows 98 user interface do we?
                      Guys, can someone please answer this? Why do KDE users see it fit to bash Gnome every instance they can get? Has it something to do with insecurity (small e-penis I guess) or is there something in KDE that turns otherwise normal people into trolls?

                      The funny thing is that the bashing is mostly baseless:
                      • No, Gnome looks nothing like Win98.
                      • No, KDE is not prettier than Gnome - don't try to project your personal opinion onto everyone. For example, I think that the default KDE4.3 theme is fucking dreadful in colors and design, with plasmids being the only part that looks nice. (Hint: see the I think part in there?)
                      • No, KDE is not more usable than Gnome in any meaningful way.

                      Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
                      Gnome 2.0 game out in 2002. In 7 years, can you honestly name me 5 major improvements?
                      Evolution, Accessibility, GStreamer (with automatic codec installer), Seahorse, Orca, Tomboy, Cheese, GVFS, Brasero, fast user switching, tabbed Nautilus.

                      Oops, went over the 5 mark there, didn't I? These are best-of-breed applications and major features that have been introduced gradually over the lifetime of Gnome 2.x. Gnome 2.28 looks nothing like Gnome 2.0 - unless you are a troll, that is.

                      Back on topic, I'd support a September release. Gnome shell is looking extremely promising even in 2.28, but there's a lot of work left until it can surpass the default desktop in usability.
                      Last edited by BlackStar; 11-04-2009, 03:55 AM.

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                      • #12
                        under the bonnet...

                        It's nice to see overhauling the user interface, but in my opinion, the biggest problem of GNOME is under the bonnet. They need to modernise GTK+ and first and foremost start with the programming language in use.

                        There are endless debates on this subject. It all boils down to statements like "you can do with C anything you can do with any other 'modern' language" and "you can use one of the many language bindings if you wish".

                        statement 1: It is very frustrating to hear such a statement, especially from veterans. The expressiveness of a proper OOP is unmatched by any GObject hacks.
                        statement 2: Bindings are usually out-of-sync, but most importantly they merely expose the GTK+ API to the language, rather than integrate with it (i.e. take full advantage of the design paradigms the language brings). Take a look at Ruby and Python bindings for instance.

                        The KDE guys went with C++ and at the time it was a reasonable choice. Although, better than C, not being dynamically bind means they had to resort to their own little hacks (signals, slots, object-properties, etc with moc)

                        In my opinion, a modern Desktop/Application environment should be build on a dynamically bind language(e.g. Objective-C). I would go as far as saying, interpreted as well (Ruby, Python, etc)...

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                        • #13
                          "Reload this Page GNOME 3.0 May Not Come Until September 2010"

                          Is anyone surprised?

                          Meaning no disrespect to the Gnome devs, the target was optimistic even if the goals of Gnome3 were not as ambitious as those of KDE4.

                          And while I am sure Gnome3 (aka 2.32) will be usable, I am pretty certain it will be usable in the same way that KDE 4.1 was usable.

                          Given lessons learnt and more modest ambitions I'll be charitable and say that Gnome will achieve their KDE 4.3 moment in spring 2010 with Gnome 3.1, which is still a shorter time than KDE managed with their 4 series.

                          Gnome - KDE
                          2.6.30 - 4.0
                          3.0 - 4.1
                          --- - 4.2
                          3.1 - 4.3

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Joe Sixpack View Post
                            In 7 years, can you honestly name me 5 major improvements?
                            Go and search yourself, lazy. Gnome has evolved constantly in the last few years.



                            As far as W98-look-alike claims are concerned, it's IMHO stupid to compare a more than 12 years old operating system to a modern and highly flexible desktop environment.

                            Seriously, every user can easily make his system look like Vista/7 or give it a completely unique appearance on the other hand. There's no need to bash gnome developers for their decision to give it a simple and clean look that will make every user understand its elements functionality at the first look.



                            Btw, @next9, this is no "real and actual vanilla gnome", it's Debian's design (with only a few changes though).

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                              Guys, can someone please answer this? Why do KDE users see it fit to bash Gnome every instance they can get? Has it something to do with insecurity (small e-penis I guess) or is there something in KDE that turns otherwise normal people into trolls?
                              Nope it's because KDE is underminded by Gnome the same way Linux is by Microsoft and Windows. Using Linux changes people into trolls that bash Windows and using KDE makes them hate Gnome for various simliar reasons...
                              The funny thing is that the bashing is mostly baseless:
                              • No, Gnome looks nothing like Win98.
                              • No, KDE is not prettier than Gnome - don't try to project your personal opinion onto everyone. For example, I think that the default KDE4.3 theme is fucking dreadful in colors and design, with plasmids being the only part that looks nice. (Hint: see the I think part in there?)
                              • No, KDE is not more usable than Gnome in any meaningful way.
                              Here we go into opinions and statistics... But seriously default KDE is a lot prettier then default gnome... Oxygen is by far the first default linux desktop environment theme that doesn't suck. Both gnome and kde3 deafaults imho were quite bad. Also I tested this on few windows users and showing them default kde4 and gnome the pretty one answer was kde and gnome looked to them like some old windows ...

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