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    Phoronix: A New Development Release Of GNOME Shell

    GNOME 3.0 will not be rolling out until the first half of 2010, but work is already underway on this major GNOME update that is the first to bring some radical changes in a long time. One of the major components of GNOME 3.0 is the GNOME Shell...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzQ5Mg

  • #2
    I have not seen the GNOME shell so I might be wrong, but from the description it seems to be copy of Plasma from KDE?

    It would be nice to see at least one real new feature in GNOME 3. I have not seen any improvement of my desktop for a long long time .

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ikipou View Post
      I have not seen the GNOME shell so I might be wrong, but from the description it seems to be copy of Plasma from KDE?
      Not at all.
      It is a completely new user interface (not finalized yet), based on the clutter toolkit.

      See:
      http://www.gnome.org/~mccann/shell/m...ell-black2.png
      http://www.gnome.org/~mccann/shell/m...20090630-demo/
      http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell

      (First two links are mockups, the wikipage has some outdated screenshots)

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      • #4
        the gnomeshell needs a "fullscreenize it all" feature!
        it is really annoying, when you have to use fullscreen applications, that have to change your resolution, because your hardware is to slow( or for other reasons )
        so it would be useful if you could just start the application in a window and zoom into it, catching the mouse, blending out everything else and adjusting the mouse speed.
        this way you could have any application in fullscreenmode without having to reset your resolution which is especially annoying if you have a smooth composited desktop and everything works great, but these fullscreen applications destroy everything
        the compiz enhanced zoom plugin kinda does something like that, but its more of a hack (especially the mouse catching).
        thats a feature im missing with all the composited desktops...
        people seem to focus on all the shiny effects of the composited desktop, but they seem to ignore the window managing advances they bring...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Pfanne View Post
          the gnomeshell needs a "fullscreenize it all" feature!
          it is really annoying, when you have to use fullscreen applications, that have to change your resolution, because your hardware is to slow( or for other reasons )
          so it would be useful if you could just start the application in a window and zoom into it, catching the mouse, blending out everything else and adjusting the mouse speed.
          this way you could have any application in fullscreenmode without having to reset your resolution which is especially annoying if you have a smooth composited desktop and everything works great, but these fullscreen applications destroy everything
          the compiz enhanced zoom plugin kinda does something like that, but its more of a hack (especially the mouse catching).
          thats a feature im missing with all the composited desktops...
          people seem to focus on all the shiny effects of the composited desktop, but they seem to ignore the window managing advances they bring...
          For this to work reliably you need input redirection in X which is still not done (being worked on thought).

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          • #6
            I wonder how much thought they have put into the name.

            Gnome Shell ~ GnomeS hell

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Louise View Post
              I wonder how much thought they have put into the name.

              Gnome Shell ~ GnomeS hell
              Heh, fortunately it's not something users will see. Much like you won't find "Metacity" anywhere in the menus

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Louise View Post
                I wonder how much thought they have put into the name.

                Gnome Shell ~ GnomeS hell
                I agree :-)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ikipou View Post
                  I have not seen the GNOME shell so I might be wrong, but from the description it seems to be copy of Plasma from KDE?
                  Lol absolutely not! The Plasma desktop is a desktop shell that uses SVG and OpenGL to draw widgets. The entire KDE desktop are just widgets inside of Plasma. Plasma is designed as the foundation and graphical shell that anyone can use to make their own desktop with. The only thing you need are widgets; taskbar, icons, etc.

                  The Gnome shell might have SVG (not sure) and OpenGL, but the Gnome shell is integrated with the WM and more static. The goal of the Gnome-shell is changing the way people manage their programs and files. It more or less a window manager and file manager in one and build on the existing foundation of Gnome 2.x. It's mostly recycled code.

                  A Flash video demonstration of the Gnome-shell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQUuH...eature=related

                  It's a really refreshing concept
                  Last edited by V!NCENT; 08-30-2009, 05:20 AM.

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                  • #10
                    I just tried it out today for the first time, and I gotta say i'm impressed. I There are still a lot of unfinished things, but overall it's really usable. Working with multiple desktops is super easy and finally feels natural to me.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post

                      It's a really refreshing concept
                      What's so refreshing about losing basic usability? Adding a huge Activities launcher that covers huge portions of the screen (just search other videos of Gnome Shell and see how that Activities thing expands odver the workspaces), not being able to change workspaces with a single click, having to drag'n'drop applications from a workspace to another instead of a single key shortcut or click, not being able to set a vertical or horizontal stacking of workspaces, being GPU dependent without a non-GPU fallback, useless animations etc.

                      That's all eyecandy done without any usability studies.. Gnome 3 will be a disaster.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by urfe View Post
                        What's so refreshing about losing basic usability? Adding a huge Activities launcher that covers huge portions of the screen (just search other videos of Gnome Shell and see how that Activities thing expands odver the workspaces), not being able to change workspaces with a single click, having to drag'n'drop applications from a workspace to another instead of a single key shortcut or click, not being able to set a vertical or horizontal stacking of workspaces, being GPU dependent without a non-GPU fallback, useless animations etc.

                        That's all eyecandy done without any usability studies.. Gnome 3 will be a disaster.
                        100% agree.
                        Gnome Shell isn't the feature that gnome desktop needs.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by urfe View Post
                          That's all eyecandy done without any usability studies.. Gnome 3 will be a disaster.
                          I'd consider the current state more of a pilot venture. Don't judge the actual release by it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by urfe View Post
                            What's so refreshing about losing basic usability? Adding a huge Activities launcher that covers huge portions of the screen (just search other videos of Gnome Shell and see how that Activities thing expands odver the workspaces), not being able to change workspaces with a single click, having to drag'n'drop applications from a workspace to another instead of a single key shortcut or click, not being able to set a vertical or horizontal stacking of workspaces, being GPU dependent without a non-GPU fallback, useless animations etc.

                            That's all eyecandy done without any usability studies.. Gnome 3 will be a disaster.
                            First it no longer does that, second judging a project "a disaster" when it is in such an early state does not make much sense.

                            Read the design document to see how it is supposed to look like / work in the end: http://www.gnome.org/~mccann/shell/d...l-20090705.pdf

                            Also the non GPU (you mean opengl) fallback is metacity+gnome-panel (they aren't going away)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by urfe View Post
                              What's so refreshing about losing basic usability?
                              If you want 'basic functionality' then use XFCE. If you want the most functionality then use KDE. Gnome has never been about functionality anyway; it's about easy to use.


                              Adding a huge Activities launcher that covers huge portions of the screen (just search other videos of Gnome Shell and see how that Activities thing expands odver the workspaces), not being able to change workspaces with a single click, having to drag'n'drop applications from a workspace to another instead of a single key shortcut or click, not being able to set a vertical or horizontal stacking of workspaces,[...]
                              Only when you click on it. But really, did you thought about "hey I'm going to check my email"(activity) or "Hey I'm gonna turn on my computer and click on the firefox icon so that I could browse with tiny buttons to phoronix and then react to posts here with the reply button"("basic functionality")? The Gnome shell is modeled after human thinking and not towards the structure of a device.

                              [...]being GPU dependent without a non-GPU fallback, useless animations etc.
                              Next thing you know is that they are going to make programs that also depend on a CPU and RAM! Dude every computer has a GPU. And these animations are for clarity, so they are not useless. They actually serve the very purpose of the Gnome desktop: easy to use, understand and learn.

                              That's all eyecandy done without any usability studies.. Gnome 3 will be a disaster.
                              It will be more than fit for it's purpose and therefore a huge leap forward. The glass is not always half empty... Get a little joy in your life

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