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  • #31
    Yes, I don't like patents either (ok, abusing patents).

    The IEEE does more than that just counting patents, though. The biggest patten holder almost every yeas is IBM (they're also very proud of it, they kept mentioning it in Boblingen), for example, but they didn't get the first place, so there are other criteria (most important, the scientific value of its patent portfolio).


    There was another survey, also by IEEE (I don't know of any ACM survey), and MS was voted as the best partner of scientific research communities.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by urfe View Post
      There was another survey, also by IEEE (I don't know of any ACM survey), and MS was voted as the best partner of scientific research communities.
      That'd probably be because they make a profit pretty much always and pour in tons of money to research communities even during recessions.
      Doesn't imply they're innovative, still.

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      • #33
        The truth is that money is needed for most of the research, I agree (as that's my area. And we do Linux + embedded). I also know we had a lot of MS PR people calling us since the resession started The survyes are older, though. 2007, 2008 etc.

        I do agree that investing heavily into research communities is one way of getting a nice portofolio of innovative ideas that doesn't actually reflect a companys true value.
        That said, I do trust IEEE and MS and I don't doubt that they have the funding for buying all the academic brains out there that are able to produce nice ideas. It's about money and not ideology.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by urfe View Post
          I don't doubt that they have the funding for buying all the academic brains out there that are able to produce nice ideas. It's about money and not ideology.
          But still the community of opensource have more guys around. But seriously, what important innovation did MS do the last year?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by urfe View Post
            The truth is that money is needed for most of the research, I agree (as that's my area. And we do Linux + embedded). I also know we had a lot of MS PR people calling us since the resession started The survyes are older, though. 2007, 2008 etc.
            They don't afaik do that much charity though, they invest in research because they predict they can make a profit by getting to share the results. It's a bit like have a lab full of brilliant scientists and the faculty head gets his name in every released paper for doing nothing at all. :3 (except funneling money that other people invest in the research scientists below him do) Would you call the faculty head innovative? Or is it just the scientists?

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            • #36
              That's excatly what I said . Except all companies to this.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by urfe View Post
                That's excatly what I said . Except all companies to this.
                Heh, even a lot of academics are ran with the idea of gaining funding. The end result of a lot academic research is to simply find more ways of generating revenue.

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                • #38
                  I'm impatient to test Gnome Shell and Mutter, I hope this will be enough for me, thus I will finally get rid of Compiz Fusion.
                  Not that I dislike it, but it's still not has stable as it should be for a regular use.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by spykes View Post
                    I'm impatient to test Gnome Shell and Mutter, I hope this will be enough for me, thus I will finally get rid of Compiz Fusion.
                    Not that I dislike it, but it's still not has stable as it should be for a regular use.
                    I keep reading that compiz is not stable enough. Seriously I wonde what's the problem? All the versions 0.8.x worked perfectly for me for everyday use.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Apopas View Post
                      I keep reading that compiz is not stable enough. Seriously I wonde what's the problem? All the versions 0.8.x worked perfectly for me for everyday use.
                      I'm using it every days on a machine that never reboots... After some days (or maybe weeks), it happens to crash leaving my windows frozen without decoration.
                      Even if I just need to restart Compiz to recover my desktop (which is quite easy through the fusion-icon menu), it's always a painful situation.
                      It may be due to a memory leak in a particular plugin, I don't know...
                      Anyway it's still not as rock-solid as I would expect it to be.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                        Heh, even a lot of academics are ran with the idea of gaining funding. The end result of a lot academic research is to simply find more ways of generating revenue.
                        There are concerns in academia though that profit-centeredness is killing out the general research whose purpose isn't to output a product but simply improve our understanding on things and further science. Accepting money from companies doesn't come without a price.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by spykes View Post
                          I'm using it every days on a machine that never reboots... After some days (or maybe weeks), it happens to crash leaving my windows frozen without decoration.
                          Even if I just need to restart Compiz to recover my desktop (which is quite easy through the fusion-icon menu), it's always a painful situation.
                          It may be due to a memory leak in a particular plugin, I don't know...
                          Anyway it's still not as rock-solid as I would expect it to be.
                          You use the latest version?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by nanonyme View Post
                            There are concerns in academia though that profit-centeredness is killing out the general research whose purpose isn't to output a product but simply improve our understanding on things and further science. Accepting money from companies doesn't come without a price.
                            Ya, I see that. Sad part is that academic research grants are pressured to produce results. Same thing happens in software development in many cases open or not. There are also some really stupid grants out there that I'm sure are just given out for the sake of it. I recall a few years the Provincial Gov't of BC giving a large 2 million dollar grant to a fishery study so they could put a TV underwater to teach salmon fry to avoid bears by showing a looping video of bears scooping out salmon during spawning.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                              I recall a few years the Provincial Gov't of BC giving a large 2 million dollar grant to a fishery study so they could put a TV underwater to teach salmon fry to avoid bears by showing a looping video of bears scooping out salmon during spawning.

                              At least this is innovative...

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                              • #45
                                lol wut. That sounds like something the soviets would come up with.

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