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    Phoronix: GNOME 2.27.5 Released, Marks Feature Freeze

    Vincent Untz has announced the release of GNOME 2.27.5. This unstable release of GNOME in the road to GNOME 2.28.0 also marks the entering of the feature freeze for this bi-annual update to GNOME...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzQyMQ

  • #2
    i'm considering switching to KDE 4.3
    gnome hasn't really changed much in years

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SyXbiT View Post
      i'm considering switching to KDE 4.3
      gnome hasn't really changed much in years
      I highly recommend it. GNOME has basically become stagnated. I think the only reason most people use GNOME is because several big distros (*ahem* ubuntu *ahem*) force it on them.

      I am a proud user of Kubuntu 9.10 Karmic and KDE 4.3.

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      • #4
        gnome hasn't really changed much in years
        That's part of its appeal to some.

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        • #5
          I highly recommend it.
          I don't. I prefer to use something that works vs something that tries to be fancy and doesn't.

          If you want something to play around then that is something else entirely and I can understand KDE's attraction.

          GNOME has basically become stagnated.
          No it has not. If you think that Gnome hasn't changed or improved in the past few years it's only because you haven't used it during that time.


          I think the only reason most people use GNOME is because several big distros (*ahem* ubuntu *ahem*) force it on them.
          Most people want a desktop that works and is able to provide the necessary services without spending a large amount of time with configuration settings and mucking about.

          Ubuntu uses Gnome because now Gnome is the standard Linux desktop and has actually gone through some real usability testing and analysis. It's not perfect, but it's the easiest to use desktop out there for Linux right now.


          And with Gnome 3.0 coming down the wire they are going to start proving that you can revamp a desktop's graphics create a more modern UI without breaking everything and starting nearly from scratch.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by drag View Post
            Ubuntu uses Gnome because now Gnome is the standard Linux desktop.
            Please show me ANYTHING to support "Gnome is the standard Linux desktop"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by deanjo View Post
              Please show me ANYTHING to support "Gnome is the standard Linux desktop"

              Just to get the first part out of the way:

              http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/standard
              stand⋅ard
                /ˈstændərd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [stan-derd] Show IPA
              Use standard in a Sentence
              –noun
              1. something considered by an authority or by general consent as a basis of comparison; an approved model.
              2. an object that is regarded as the usual or most common size or form of its kind: We stock the deluxe models as well as the standards.


              http://moblin.org/ -- based on Gnome stuff
              http://maemo.org/ -- Gnome stuff.


              Debian -- Largest and oldest non-for-profit Linux distro in existance. Default desktop is Gnome.

              Ubuntu -- Currently the most popular desktop distro. Based on Debian. Default desktop is Gnome

              Redhat/CentOS/Scientific Linux/Unbreakable Linux/(and other Redhat clones) -- The premier 'Enterprise' operating system for large businesses that require support from a vendor and certified platforms for running their software. Default desktop is Gnome.

              Novel's Linux systems... Novell desktop, OpenSuse, SLED, etc etc -- The secondary 'Enterprise' operating system for large businesses (etc etc). Default desktop is Gnome.

              Fedora -- Most 'cutting edge' distro. Essentionally a playground for developers and is used for testing software for inclusion into future Redhat releases. Gnome by default.

              etc. etc. etc.

              'Standard' as in 'most common' the 'default' etc etc.

              Most of those systems can run KDE just fine. Just like they can run LXDE, XFCE, Fluxbox, or half a dozen other desktop environments. But Gnome/GTK is going to be the most common.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by drag View Post
                I don't. I prefer to use something that works vs something that tries to be fancy and doesn't.

                If you want something to play around then that is something else entirely and I can understand KDE's attraction.
                KDE 4.x is not Windows Vista. It is full-featured, stable, and a pleasure to use. In the way of features, it has practically reached the feature level of KDE 3.x. Not to mention that GNOME, ever since 2.x, has had the same feature-removal attitude as MacOS. Most Linux users are geeks, and most geeks like to configure the settings their own way, rather than accepting the default set by some programmer. In KDE you can do that, but in GNOME you can't even configure the settings for the screensaver hacks in GNOME-screensaver. If users don't like to configure the settings, then they should just ignore them. It shouldn't be required for the settings to be removed or made inaccessible. In the way of stability, I have never had a crash of any of the core KDE components (plasma, kwin, etc) since KDE 4.1.

                And GNOME is not in any way the "standard" Linux desktop environment. There is no "standard" Linux desktop environment. There are standards for Linux desktop environments, which both KDE and GNOME follow to some degree. In almost every KDE vs GNOME poll I have seen on this site and others, KDE wins, sometimes even by a large margin.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by drag View Post
                  Just to get the first part out of the way:

                  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/standard
                  stand⋅ard
                    /ˈstændərd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [stan-derd] Show IPA
                  Use standard in a Sentence
                  –noun
                  1. something considered by an authority or by general consent as a basis of comparison; an approved model.
                  2. an object that is regarded as the usual or most common size or form of its kind: We stock the deluxe models as well as the standards.


                  http://moblin.org/ -- based on Gnome stuff
                  http://maemo.org/ -- Gnome stuff.


                  Debian -- Largest and oldest non-for-profit Linux distro in existance. Default desktop is Gnome.

                  Ubuntu -- Currently the most popular desktop distro. Based on Debian. Default desktop is Gnome

                  Redhat/CentOS/Scientific Linux/Unbreakable Linux/(and other Redhat clones) -- The premier 'Enterprise' operating system for large businesses that require support from a vendor and certified platforms for running their software. Default desktop is Gnome.

                  Novel's Linux systems... Novell desktop, OpenSuse, SLED, etc etc -- The secondary 'Enterprise' operating system for large businesses (etc etc). Default desktop is Gnome.

                  Fedora -- Most 'cutting edge' distro. Essentionally a playground for developers and is used for testing software for inclusion into future Redhat releases. Gnome by default.

                  etc. etc. etc.

                  'Standard' as in 'most common' the 'default' etc etc.

                  Most of those systems can run KDE just fine. Just like they can run LXDE, XFCE, Fluxbox, or half a dozen other desktop environments. But Gnome/GTK is going to be the most common.

                  Sorry but openSUSE has no standard, free choice of either. User selects. SLED carries both packages as well with the the user being able to choose either. In fact over 70% of opensuse users select KDE. default!=standard.

                  default = a preset setting or value

                  There are also many other distro's that use KDE by default as well. In fact if you look at the top 20 distro's over at distro watch you will see that there are many that are kde flavored as well as well as minimalist distro's.

                  Gnome maybe A standard desktop but it is not THE standard linux desktop. In fact most surveys you see show KDE still hold most of the marketshare of installed systems. Like it or not it's the truth. Gnome is no more the standard linux desktop then Dell is the standard server.

                  In fact real standards that do exist in linux make absolutely no mention of what desktop is to be used. The LSB for example does not say "Gnome is the standard".

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                  • #10
                    well im no going into the whole standards debate but i will say this.

                    The reason I use linux is so that my computer works for me, not so i work for my computer. If i wanted a pretty/buggy desktop I will go ahead and reinstall windows. Dont say KDE4 isn't buggy because in comparison to gnome it might as well be windows. KDE 3 is fine.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by L33F3R View Post
                      well im no going into the whole standards debate but i will say this.

                      The reason I use linux is so that my computer works for me, not so i work for my computer. If i wanted a pretty/buggy desktop I will go ahead and reinstall windows. Dont say KDE4 isn't buggy because in comparison to gnome it might as well be windows. KDE 3 is fine.
                      Which KDE 4.x version are you using? 4.2 and 4.3 (RC3) have come a long way. They are just as stable as KDE 3.x for most of the people I have heard about

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SyXbiT View Post
                        i'm considering switching to KDE 4.3
                        gnome hasn't really changed much in years
                        That's about as accurate as people saying KDE 4.3 is an unstable piece of crap. It's a little hypocritical that people make stupid statements like these about Gnome and then get angry when people use one about KDE!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                          Sorry but openSUSE has no standard, free choice of either. User selects. SLED carries both packages as well with the the user being able to choose either. In fact over 70% of opensuse users select KDE. default!=standard.
                          Well I missed that OpenSuse forced the user to choose during installation.

                          But SLED offering both in packages is meaningless to this discussion. All the major distros provide KDE packages. The default for SLED is Gnome.


                          default = a preset setting or value

                          There are also many other distro's that use KDE by default as well. In fact if you look at the top 20 distro's over at distro watch you will see that there are many that are kde flavored as well as well as minimalist distro's.
                          Distro watch's statistics are BS. I don't know how they compile them, but it's not accurate.

                          Gnome maybe A standard desktop but it is not THE standard linux desktop.
                          It is. If your a ISV and you need to target your customers then Gnome and GTK will offer the largest install base. Redhat is the #1 OS required for customers to use in order to be compatible with commercial desktop applications for businesses. This provides a common install base so that ISVs do not have to deal with the extra expense and difficulty of tracking down variations in multiple Linux distros.

                          That's why it's the standard. It's not very complicated.

                          In fact most surveys you see show KDE still hold most of the marketshare of installed systems.
                          What surveys? Were? In KDE forums?

                          (links would be nice)

                          Like it or not it's the truth. Gnome is no more the standard linux desktop then Dell is the standard server.
                          That is a pointless and irrelevent assertion to make. Next thing you know you'll be bringing up Ford and cars types into the disccusion.

                          It's like saying "KDE is a great desktop like how blue is a great color because the sky is blue"

                          In fact real standards that do exist in linux make absolutely no mention of what desktop is to be used. The LSB for example does not say "Gnome is the standard".
                          It should and in a couple years it will. That's my prediction.

                          There is a growing need for standardization for the desktop so it's definately going to happen. The way things are right now Gnome is much better positioned and has the support from vast majority of companies interested in forwarding commercial LoTD efforts.

                          (edit: Moblin is now a LSB standard. It's not a distro, so much, is a environment for ISVs and there is compliance testing and dependency requirements required to be 'Moblin Compatible'. Novell already has Moblin compatible Suse versions. Ubuntu has a Moblin compatible version. Fedora 12 is aiming for Moblin compatibility.... The technologies that Intel is pushing for the gnome environment are playing a heavy roll in what Gnome 3 will be. Gnome 3 is, also, going to be a much smoother transition then KDE 3 vs 4.. it'll be done in a step by step manner rather then one big break)


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                          Remember:

                          There is absolutely no harm for KDE, or any other desktop environment, if Gnome is required to be installed for compatibility reasons. It's just a few hundred megs on a disk. Even a low-end new computer can brush that off.

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                          KDE used to be in contention for the 'standard' environment, but they blew it when they gave up all compatibility with previous applications. it was not obvious at the time that the KDE 3 to 4 transition would cause so much havok, but time has proven that it did.

                          So application designers and distros had the choice of putting a lot of effort into supporting something that was obviously dead (KDE 3.5 is the end of the line for that desktop.) or making their users use something that was obviously not ready for prime time (KDE 4).

                          It's taken approximetly 2 years for KDE 4.x to get to the point were it is currently at.

                          That is about 3-4 entire major releases from popular distros like Fedora and Ubuntu. That's also a long time for Novell to tell Suse users to make the choice between programming for a dead-end environment or a environment that is not really usable for most people.

                          KDE is a fine desktop. But they are still going to have to put a lot of work into catching up to were KDE 3.5 was 4 years ago, much less were Gnome is at today.

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                          And good luck for KDE. They can still pull off creating a great product. It would be nice to have a nicer desktop then Gnome.
                          Last edited by drag; 07-30-2009, 06:55 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by drag View Post
                            KDE is a fine desktop. But they are still going to have to put a lot of work into catching up to were KDE 3.5 was 4 years ago, much less were Gnome is at today.

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                            And good luck for KDE. They can still pull off creating a great product. It would be nice to have a nicer desktop then Gnome.
                            How is KDE 4.3 behind KDE 3.x? And how was KDE 3.x behind GNOME?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by thefirstm View Post
                              Which KDE 4.x version are you using? 4.2 and 4.3 (RC3) have come a long way. They are just as stable as KDE 3.x for most of the people I have heard about
                              4.2, i eagerly await a proper 4.3 before i test anything.

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