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  • Bye bye BSD, Hello Linux: A Sys Admin's Story

    As you know, there is an article and a thread discussing about Apache getting removed from the base system OpenBSD. Although much of the thread has been dominated by fanatic Linux hating BSD fanboys, some of the comments made have been particularly interesting and important in terms of what is actually going on. Some of the comments are:

    Originally posted by mark45
    BSDs are irrelevant, it becomes ever more often that if an app doesn't compile/run on a Unix OS which is neither Linux or Mac/iOS - take a hike. I never cared if my app runs on any BSD, even my Java apps.
    and

    Originally posted by Pawlerson
    You have to live with that. It doesn't matter if openbsd or some other bsd chooses to drop something, because it won't affect market share at all.
    These comments reflect real life. Unfortunate, they have been met with a barrage of foul-mouth trolling from BSD fanatics like Sergio, Cthulhux and Vim_User.

    In response, I'll like to post a link to an article that proofs mark45 and Pawlerson's statement.

    http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/2...odbye-openbsd/

    As you can see, OpenBSD and BSD overall is dead even on the server side. Many softer but still brainless BSD fanboys claim that Linux is better on Desktop while BSD is better on servers.

    BSD is not better on servers especially now when virtualization is a must and BSDs have been found time and time again to be slower, less reliable and less robust then Linux or even Windows.

    BSD is not even good for the embedded side as it has very poor scalability and an install with only a partial base system is already too bloated and slow compared to a full desktop Linux install.

    Best regards
    endman

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    Originally posted by endman View Post
    As you can see, OpenBSD and BSD overall is dead even on the server side. Many softer but still brainless BSD fanboys claim that Linux is better on Desktop while BSD is better on servers.
    I am no fan of BSDs, but seriously, the best evidence you can come up with that "OpenBSD and BSD overall is dead even on the server side" is an anecdote about a single person's experience with OpenBSD 6 years ago!

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    • #3
      There is also this:
      http://www.section6.net/2011/07/why-...earned-to.html

      And it's more recent, 2011.

      There is also evidence of FreeBSD losing not just users but developers as well:
      http://koitsu.wordpress.com/2008/12/...eebsd-project/

      As you can see, the FreeBSD project as well as the OpenBSD project has got a very unfriendly environment for it's developers and they are thus leaving by droves.
      Last edited by endman; 04-06-2014, 05:01 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by endman View Post
        There is also this:
        Yeah, I think that is roughly the amount of evidence everyone expected.

        edit: endman edited his/her post after I posted this. When I posted, that was all there was.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by endman View Post
          There is also this:
          http://www.section6.net/2011/07/why-...earned-to.html

          And it's more recent, 2011.

          There is also evidence of FreeBSD losing not just users but developers as well:
          http://koitsu.wordpress.com/2008/12/...eebsd-project/

          As you can see, the FreeBSD project as well as the OpenBSD project has got a very unfriendly environment for it's developers and they are thus leaving by droves.
          Anecdotes are not evidence. It doesn't matter whether it is one or three. It is easy to find people who left Linux for BSD as well, or Linux for windows, or Linux for Mac. That doesn't prove anything.

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          • #6
            This is also graphical evidence from w3techs:

            http://w3techs.com/diagram/history_technology/os-bsd

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            • #7
              Originally posted by endman View Post
              This is also graphical evidence from w3techs:

              http://w3techs.com/diagram/history_technology/os-bsd

              Wow, you are as bad as Honton. You show a tiny change over just one year with no context and expect that to be remotely convincing?

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              • #8
                Something is just wrong with those statistics First three linuxes loose 13% together and in same time in first 2 months this year

                http://w3techs.com/technologies/hist...tails/os-linux

                Together with RH and others ~15% goes nowhere
                Last edited by dungeon; 04-06-2014, 07:50 AM.

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                • #9
                  This also this:
                  http://trends.builtwith.com/Server/FreeBSD

                  Which shows FreeBSD usage share declining while Linux usage shares are increasing:

                  http://trends.builtwith.com/Server/Gentoo-Linux

                  The truth is inescapable.
                  Last edited by endman; 04-06-2014, 09:22 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Generally speaking, you might be right. Linux is developed by many companies, individuals, and institutions on constant basis, so the quality of the code and capabilities of Linux generally surpass every OS out there minus some very specialized ones a la z/os specifically designed to work on mainframes. Nowadays, all is see is how feature A from Linux is going to get ported to BSD, never the other way around, which suggests that all BSD projects are dead or dying of they have completely stagnated.

                    Right now the biggest bsd user is Apple, which is its biggest liability.

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                    • #11
                      From Linux to FreeBSD

                      Please note that, once again, my defense to BSD comes as a consequence of Linux fanboy trolls.

                      Just typing "From Linux to FreeBSD" on Google Search:

                      http://nileshgr.com/2013/06/07/the-m...nux-to-freebsd

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5rmG2j4Lk8

                      http://miwi.cc/2012/03/why-freebsd-my-personal-view/

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sergio View Post
                        Please note that, once again, my defense to BSD comes as a consequence of Linux fanboy trolls.

                        Just typing "From Linux to FreeBSD" on Google Search:

                        http://nileshgr.com/2013/06/07/the-m...nux-to-freebsd

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5rmG2j4Lk8

                        http://miwi.cc/2012/03/why-freebsd-my-personal-view/
                        I didnt watch the utube video but the rest looks like seperate personal users (that showes not how many it uses but only how pationate are the few that use it) that try to generate a hype that bsd is better than linux and all who is cool will migrate to bsd from linux.

                        And its in the nature of the thing that u only find blog entries from migrating from the system with more users to the smaller one. Why would somebody first try out bsd and then see ohh linux is so much better lets post about it. He/She would directly switch to linux from windows most likely.

                        10 Years ago there were maybe thousends of blogposts how linux is better than unix. So google after it. BSD is a unix so the points did not change much. Linux is free and more supported = better.

                        Sry if thats a bit fanboyish, but my point is dont let yourself confuse about some few people that search with the microscope small advantages that are even discussiable on bsd and try to generate a new coolness or something for using bsd.

                        Even if linux would be minimal less good in some aspects than bsd, it doesnt matter linux is always good enough in every aspekt. Most people use even windows even stick to horrific windows xp which is 1000x worse than every GNU or Unix System and live with that.

                        Most people use bsd in my opinion because they hate the gpl. Else u get more support and more developer hours in linux. And maybe people like to be in a small exclusive group or something like that. Whats it called tribalism.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                          I didnt watch the utube video but the rest looks like seperate personal users (that showes not how many it uses but only how pationate are the few that use it) that try to generate a hype that bsd is better than linux and all who is cool will migrate to bsd from linux.

                          And its in the nature of the thing that u only find blog entries from migrating from the system with more users to the smaller one. Why would somebody first try out bsd and then see ohh linux is so much better lets post about it. He/She would directly switch to linux from windows most likely.

                          10 Years ago there were maybe thousends of blogposts how linux is better than unix. So google after it. BSD is a unix so the points did not change much. Linux is free and more supported = better.

                          Sry if thats a bit fanboyish, but my point is dont let yourself confuse about some few people that search with the microscope small advantages that are even discussiable on bsd and try to generate a new coolness or something for using bsd.

                          Even if linux would be minimal less good in some aspects than bsd, it doesnt matter linux is always good enough in every aspekt. Most people use even windows even stick to horrific windows xp which is 1000x worse than every GNU or Unix System and live with that.

                          Most people use bsd in my opinion because they hate the gpl. Else u get more support and more developer hours in linux. And maybe people like to be in a small exclusive group or something like that. Whats it called tribalism.
                          Sure... I was just trying to show that "endman's" argument is irrelevant; people change from one system to another evey day, and stays with the system that he feels does the job best. You can find stories from people changing to BSD from Linux, and viceversa, quite easily. Obviously, both Linux and BSD can be used to serve, and they both work great; in the end it is more a matter of taste.

                          PS: You should watch the Youtube video.

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                          • #14
                            Sure, there are a lot of BSD users that feel they need to bash Linux, and are often saying very moronic things. The answer isn't however to do the same thing in reverse. And by the way; if you feel BSDs really are irrelevent, why do you even need to talk about them? They're irrelevant, right?

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                            • #15
                              Choice of BSD is not due to a matter of taste but of prejudice and bigotry

                              Originally posted by Sergio
                              Sure... I was just trying to show that "endman's" argument is irrelevant; people change from one system to another evey day, and stays with the system that he feels does the job best. You can find stories from people changing to BSD from Linux, and viceversa, quite easily. Obviously, both Linux and BSD can be used to serve, and they both work great; in the end it is more a matter of taste.
                              Yes I agree, people change do change from one system to another every day. But more people have been changing from BSD to Linux then vice versa. This has been happening since 2000. During that time, the usage ratio of FreeBSD to Linux on web servers was 2:3. Today its 1:1000 and trend is continuing today and will do so until BSD is gone.

                              Generally speaking, blackiwid is correct when he was talking about why some people use BSD. Just compare Linux and BSD with an unbiased mind. Linux has surpassed all BSDs in virtually all fields and it’s virtually so much easier to use. This is the case even when comparing Gentoo to FreeBSD. Linux performance has far surpass BSD’s performance in virtually every area. It is literally is a joke to see both FreeBSD and DragonflyBSD trying implement speed improvements just to achieve 60% Linux’s speed. If most people who chose BSD did it due to taste, then they must have an extremely bad sense of taste. No. Rather it is their prejudices and bigotry that cause them to choose BSD, their prejudice against work done by open community, freedom, sharing, non-corporate organisations and humanity which translates to hatred of GPL, GNU, Linux, Linux users and Free software.

                              The only other possible thing that drives people to choose BSD is schizophrenia.

                              Originally posted by Sergio
                              PS: You should watch the Youtube video.
                              I’ve watched that video a while ago, the upper echelon of that company has been infiltrated by BSD fanboys and Apple agents. The same thing happened with The New York Internet, Pair Networks, Netflix, IXSystems, The Internet Systems Consortium and Yahoo (before they kicked that bastard out). Such companies are bound to make very poor decisions and often go down in market value until those individuals are fired. One way to determine if a company is worth investing in is to see whether or not they are using BSD servers because any usage of BSD (except code usage for proprietary products) in the company’s supply chain is going to cause a reduction in overall efficiency and effectiveness of that supply chain and the company itself.

                              When I was doing my college degree, I led a group assignment in which the goal was to create a server farm that could host a number of different services include a search engine that we were supposed to program and implement. One of my group members demanded that we use FreeBSD as the OS for the servers because according to him it would be easier to manage and harder to get compromised which I knew was a lie. I tried to reason with him about it but he instead got very abusive and tried turning the other group members against me. I finally had no choice but to request permission from the lecturer to remove him from the group. The request was granted and he was given a fail for that assignment due to his offensive behaviour. The last time I saw him, was when he was eligible for food stamps and had to regularly go for detox treatments.

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