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  • #31
    I agree with the use what you want sentiment. This past weekend I tried installing 5 Linux distros and none of them worked from the get go, ie stuck at fully populating /dev, problems with amixer, hard crashes on shutdown due to pulseaudio etc etc, FreeBSD and Solaris based OSs work fine however so certainly not a hardware issue.

    Linux simply sucks for desktop usage.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by jukkan View Post
      It goes both ways.. just because you don't have problems, doesn't mean it's unproblematic for everyone. Not saying you even implied that, just talking out loud here.
      Let say one builds a hackintosh, would he buy an OS X and just flash it on random hardware, and after go to amazon and order a random FPS game? Well no, one has to consider hardware compatibility, and possibilities of a system. The same applies for Linux.

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      • #33
        New site design

        Originally posted by phoronix View Post
        Phoronix: OS X Is No Longer On My Main System, But I Already Have Regrets
        Oh, that explains why the new design of Phoronix.com has such huge fonts, like for blind people: retina screen.

        People with non-retina screen have to zoom out. It is good that Google Chrome remembers the zoom level for each web-site.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by reCAPTCHA View Post
          Let say one builds a hackintosh, would he buy an OS X and just flash it on random hardware, and after go to amazon and order a random FPS game? Well no, one has to consider hardware compatibility, and possibilities of a system. The same applies for Linux.
          'Edit'
          Even then problems are possible, for variety of reasons. Some 7 years ago, only distribution which worked well on my system was Slackware. Fedora wouldn't even install. After some time, when I stared using Gentoo, I noticed the compalation fails when occupied RAM exceeds one GB or so. Tested RAM, and found lot of errors. And of course there are always software bugs, more or less. I never said my setup is perfect, but it is ok.

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          • #35
            Michael, I have had reasonable success with setting DPI under Xfce with xrandr -dpi and xrdb into ~/.Xdefaults, as well as changing Xfce's appearance DPI settings. This combination seems to satisfy GTK[23] and Qt apps happily. Chrome is a pain in the arse and completely ignores it. (or at least it did back when I cared about Chrome)
            I fully agree that having to do this manually is one of many blights on the Linux desktop experience, but at least it should get you out of trouble in the meantime.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by reCAPTCHA View Post
              Let say one builds a hackintosh, would he buy an OS X and just flash it on random hardware, and after go to amazon and order a random FPS game? Well no, one has to consider hardware compatibility, and possibilities of a system. The same applies for Linux.
              That's an universal truth, no OS does everything very well. However, for the average person with consumerish use cases, like watching netflix or playing the newest Battlefield, Windows is the obvious choice. To a software developer, Linux could be the obvious choice because of the good availability of tools. At this point the only OS that has good dpi scaling is OSX.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post
                I don't know about OSX, but Windows 8.1 are actually quite good. After 5 years of using ArchLinux only, with various DEs, i grew tired of Linux on my main desktop and put Windows 8.1 on it. And i am really happy

                ...

                There is no single DE that is both usable/stable and powerful/feature-complete enough. And appearence-wise, ALL suck.
                Dude, you willingly use windows 8, you have NO business criticizing the appearance of any DE. You obviously have eye cancer and brain syphilis.

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                • #38
                  I am joining the choir, continue fiddling around or use a desktop which caters to hidpi screens. I assume that leaves you with Gnome or KDE these days. The status for KDE was summed up here (not sure how up-to-date the list is):
                  https://community.kde.org/KDE/High-dpi_issues

                  Ubuntu is fine. However, I am well into the process of converting all my machines over to Debian (three down, three to go). It *is* more of a hassle, but the MIR ordeal simply pushed me over the edge.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by reCAPTCHA View Post
                    Doesn't work for you [...]? Just shut up, [...] because it works perfectly for me.
                    That one's impressive.

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                    • #40
                      AFAIK, Gnome Shell supports automagic rescalling of UI elements. Perhaps you should try it for a bit, Michael. With a couple of extensions it may even suit you best (check https://extensions.gnome.org).

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post
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                        Great, I'm happy that you've found what works for you!

                        As someone that uses both Linux (KDE with OpenSUSE) and Windows (7), I can easily say that Linux is what works for me. I'm always surprised by the amount of shit that people bare with Windows, and yet at the single little problem Linux is the worst thing ever.

                        Let's pick something as simple as having tabs in your file manager. Sounds easy, right? On Windows you need to install some scammy-looking third-party plugins just to have an half-assed experience.
                        What to have a thin sidebar on the left? well, good luck with it. You need to put the sidebar on autohide, restart the graphic service, and then remove the autohide. And that last until you reboot (No, I'm not joking).
                        What to develop anything on Windows? Good luck with anything that's not .net.

                        Windows works (mostly) fine as long as you do everything as Microsoft want you do to it. Even OSX is better in this regard.

                        Talking about DPI, Windows is not much better than Linux for this. Sure, Windows 8/8.1 are much better than Windows 7, but desktop applications still don't scale in a great way.

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                        • #42
                          As someone who is in a similar situation to Michael (OS X primary with various other OSs run from Fusion VMs), I sympathize. Since my job is OLTP oriented, I typically just ssh to my local linux VMs without brining up their desktop. I used to fullscreen my VMs, but have since stopped.

                          I just recently test drove F20, U14.04, and M16. M16, in all its polished Windows-95 glory, was the only one that I would give consideration to if OSX stopped existing tomorrow.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Spittie View Post

                            As someone that uses both Linux (KDE with OpenSUSE) and Windows (7), I can easily say that Linux is what works for me. I'm always surprised by the amount of shit that people bare with Windows, and yet at the single little problem Linux is the worst thing ever.
                            Could not agree more.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Del_ View Post
                              I am joining the choir, continue fiddling around or use a desktop which caters to hidpi screens. I assume that leaves you with Gnome or KDE these days. The status for KDE was summed up here (not sure how up-to-date the list is):
                              https://community.kde.org/KDE/High-dpi_issues
                              Here are the KDE plans for Plasma Next: http://notmart.org/blog/2014/03/now-its-polishing-time/

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Spittie View Post
                                Great, I'm happy that you've found what works for you!

                                As someone that uses both Linux (KDE with OpenSUSE) and Windows (7), I can easily say that Linux is what works for me. I'm always surprised by the amount of shit that people bare with Windows, and yet at the single little problem Linux is the worst thing ever.

                                Let's pick something as simple as having tabs in your file manager. Sounds easy, right? On Windows you need to install some scammy-looking third-party plugins just to have an half-assed experience.
                                What to have a thin sidebar on the left? well, good luck with it. You need to put the sidebar on autohide, restart the graphic service, and then remove the autohide. And that last until you reboot (No, I'm not joking).
                                What to develop anything on Windows? Good luck with anything that's not .net.

                                Windows works (mostly) fine as long as you do everything as Microsoft want you do to it. Even OSX is better in this regard.

                                Talking about DPI, Windows is not much better than Linux for this. Sure, Windows 8/8.1 are much better than Windows 7, but desktop applications still don't scale in a great way.
                                I went ahead and quoted this. Simply because it's so very true. I'm going to add to it, that it's not just a Windows/Linux/Mac thing. I recently 'upgraded' my phone from a Nokia N9 to a Samsung Galaxy Note 3. After about a day, I've decided that once I can get my Sim card back out of the Note 3, I'm just going to use it for testing out Android software and maybe writing some for it, and using my N9 as my main phone. It's just better in every way, except hardware. Which means of course that it's the software that stinks. I'll probably end up putting Sailfish on it, if someone can get that working.

                                But on the note of scammy-looking third party software. It's horrible on Android as well as Windows. EVERYTHING is freaking ad supported. Unless you want to fork out the dough, but most of the 'apps' that I use are pretty typically just little free ones that shouldn't need access to all of my information, and shouldn't need to pull advertisements in constantly. Sure there were a few ad-supported bits of software for the N9, but the majority of them were just awesome.

                                But the usability of Android drives me NUTS! After having Harmattan MeeGo and it's slick three screen setup, Android is like going back to my Atari ST days, where if you wanted a semi-decent desktop experience, you had to install one of the replacement desktops, which of course ate far more memory, and tended to crash back to the built-in ROM most of the time anyhow.

                                That's the same feeling I get whenever I load up Windows 7 or Windows 8 after being in Gnome for so long. Gnome is a simple, elegant UI that stays out of your way for the most part, and lets you work in your applications. I think that the biggest "Gnome-Shell sucks!" complaints is that the shortcuts need to be more obvious. But the very same could be said about Windows 8.x. Hell, I still only know of one way to close applications, and that's by using the trusty Alt+F4.

                                Which brings me back again to Android. You have to hold the damned Home button down to bring up a task list? Then scroll up and down to select the task to switch... Or if you swipe apps left or right they will close (TouchWiz from what I've read added the little "close all apps" button, which is nice.) Freaking annoying and out of the way.

                                The beautiful N9 on the other hand. You swipe to the left and you have your tasks screen, press and hold on the screen and there are little X buttons on the upper right of the live window boxes. Or you can press the close all. Then just press done. It's also far more intuitive, in my mind, to scroll up and down for the application list. At least I finally found how to change that on TouchWiz. I've tried other launchers/Home screens, and they all seem to be rather buggy. In fact, that's been my impression with most of the software for Android. In fact, at one point I had removed 'Lookout' and then the lock screen and settings would constantly crash.

                                So yeah, just because something becomes mainstream, and people get used to all the weird random issues with them, then accept them as "that's how things are supposed to work" and then the underdog ones end up making better overall user experiences, they are shit because "well, I don't know how to use that, and little things are breaking! Waaaah! I'll go back to Windows because when I whine about Linux, they tell me just to go back to Windows anyhow!" Truth usually is, these type of people are almost impossible to help, because they go in with "well it sucks didn't work like I am used to." so there is no way to convince them otherwise. My mother is that way. I set up a dual-boot on her laptop, and she hardly goes into Linux because "well, I don't know how to work it." I have showed her how, but she's old and forgetful, so it doesn't really stick.

                                I agree with others, Michael should probably dump (X)Ubuntu and just go with Debian, and then from there decide on a shinier DE. Though I will say it's funny he says that Ubuntu has worse fan/battery performance on that laptop. On my HP Touchsmart (granted it's pretty old now in computer years) Windows 8.1 almost constantly leaves the fan on, and Linux the fan is silent unless I'm doing something CPU intensive. Android-x86 is somewhere in between. Surprisingly enough, Android on the tablet is a lot nicer than it is on my Note3. If only I could get the touchscreen to work, been looking into that, but everything else works, including screen rotation.

                                Ah, that was a long rant, that's what happens when you become unemployed. Cheers!

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