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  • #46
    Originally posted by erendorn View Post
    ah yes, they can just pay their electricity in bitcoin.
    Unless a middle man takes a cut when converting to USD?
    (not even considering the incredible volatility of bitcoins, and how people tend not to like having revenues in one currency and costs in another)
    People can donate money to them in bitcoin, they save money from not having to pay paypal, convert the bitcoins to whatever currency the electric department wants and pay them in that. What exactly is hard to understand about this?

    And volatility? Let alone "incredible"? In recent times, bitcoin's value has only gone up. How exactly is it bad again, if people donate bitcoin to a project, and they end up with more money than originally was donated? There hasn't yet been a case where bitcoin's value would have dropped so much as to actually cause significant losses to anyone who would have purchased them right before.

    Damn luddites.

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    • #47
      Many open source projects already accept donations in bitcoin, because really - there's zero risk involved in it for them, and there's virtually no cost/overhead involved in it - they get bitcoins, exchange them for whatever currency they need, and that's it - free money.

      I've personally donated bitcoins to two projects - GIMP and Linux Mint. It's a great way to transfer currency and cheaper than any alternative.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by erendorn View Post
        ah yes, they can just pay their electricity in bitcoin.
        Unless a middle man takes a cut when converting to USD?
        (not even considering the incredible volatility of bitcoins, and how people tend not to like having revenues in one currency and costs in another)
        OpenBSD is not based in the USA so what's this about USD?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by curaga View Post
          That's quite a US-centric view, given that no EU country that I know of gives tax breaks for donations to private orgs (only to public orgs such as universities count, and those only in some countries).
          Not exactly, as the OpenBSD Foundation is based in Canada, and Canada has such a provision for those NPOs that receive charitable status from the Canadian Revenue Agency. The point isn't that one nation's regulations with regard to the deductibility of donations is a global catchall (I realize it isn't), the point is that every extra bit counts.

          Also, looking at the FreeBSD Foundation's top donors for 2013, with the exception of Tarsnap (in Canada, which by treaty generally recognizes donations to US 501(c) organizations as being tax deductible), every donor giving donations above $10,000 USD is headquartered/located in the US. The NetBSD Foundation didn't break down their 2013 donations by amount, but the only platinum donor (> $10,000 USD donation) currently listed on the NetBSD homepage is ISC (stateside). And from the look of things, Theo de Raadt is looking for a Canadian company to take over OpenBSD's electrical expenses. If that doesn't come together, OpenBSD will need to cover those expenses, and the OpenBSD Foundation will factor into that. The OpenBSD Foundation doesn't tier donation amounts, but of its list of "significant foundation contributors", the three companies listed are headquartered in the US. For the record, the two individual donors listed I believe to be from Croatia and Sweden (and I'm not discounting the importance of individual contributions). The donations listed at openbsd.org aren't categorized by year or amount, though again, it is not my intent to downplay any donations, but I am focusing on the current deep pockets for this particular case.

          As I said, deductibility of donations isn't really an issue for smaller donations, but I do think it can help incentivize larger donations, even though it is usually limited to the nation where the non-profit is established. There are also tax treaties between some nations, such as the Canada-United States Convention with Respect to Taxes on Income and on Capital/United States - Canada Income Tax Convention, which generally respect donations made across borders as being tax deductible if they meet the nation's requirements whence the donations originate.
          Last edited by eidolon; 01-16-2014, 02:42 PM.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by prodigy_ View Post
            Come think if it FSF should deemphasize the "free" part, maybe even get rid if it completely. Why? Because too many people today think that freedom is actually freedom to abuse the efforts of the community for personal gain. We should stop calling GPL-sheltered software "free". We should instead call it "non-proprietary" (it sounds terrible, I know - there must be a better word that conveys the same idea).
            It is free software, free as in free speech, not beer.
            If you dislike "free", you can use "libre".

            Also BSD and the like are not "free", they are "open". The word "free" is not mentioned at all, while GPL is explicitly dedicated to protecting "freedom" and includes definition of "free" in Preamble.

            For those in confusion, go read license text first.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by a user View Post
              ironically you made the first troll post in this thread.
              Don't feed the troll. Seriously, it's pointless arguing with his righteousness.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by eidolon View Post
                Not exactly, as the OpenBSD Foundation is based in Canada, and Canada has such a provision for those NPOs that receive charitable status from the Canadian Revenue Agency. The point isn't that one nation's regulations with regard to the deductibility of donations is a global catchall (I realize it isn't), the point is that every extra bit counts.
                ..cut..
                Thanks, that was enlightening. So such a move would not close any doors, but would open one.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by brosis View Post
                  Also BSD and the like are not "free", they are "open". The word "free" is not mentioned at all, while GPL is explicitly dedicated to protecting "freedom" and includes definition of "free" in Preamble.
                  The trouble is that the FSF don't have the right to declare what the word "free" means with respect to software. "Free Software" isn't a trademark that they own or a term that they have any right to control.

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                  • #54
                    I don't know if it's the spin or the editing, but this supposed plea for help comes along as quite arrogant and self-righteous. Statements like this:

                    If you don't realize this is the reason we try to run on the older platforms, I am sorry but you have really not tried to stay in the loop of what makes OpenBSD a vibrant ecosystem.
                    Given how they failed as an entity to stay alive it's a bit condescending to anyone who would like to donate.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by curaga View Post
                      So such a move would not close any doors, but would open one.
                      As a general principle, I do think tax deductions (where applicable) can help incentivize larger donations, but I obviously can't guarantee that it would make the needed difference for the OpenBSD Foundation. The OpenBSD Foundation's stance is that "the reporting overhead (accounting and legal costs) to operate a registered charity in Canada is prohibitive without a sizable revenue stream." I'm only suggesting that if OpenBSD really is in dire financial straits then perhaps the OpenBSD Foundation should review if/how it can be more effective (and that extends beyond reassessing its charity status approach, though I only chose to focus on that particular point). One thing I am certain of is that a bake sale won't save the day.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by eidolon View Post
                        As a general principle, I do think tax deductions (where applicable) can help incentivize larger donations, but I obviously can't guarantee that it would make the needed difference for the OpenBSD Foundation. The OpenBSD Foundation's stance is that "the reporting overhead (accounting and legal costs) to operate a registered charity in Canada is prohibitive without a sizable revenue stream." I'm only suggesting that if OpenBSD really is in dire financial straits then perhaps the OpenBSD Foundation should review if/how it can be more effective (and that extends beyond reassessing its charity status approach, though I only chose to focus on that particular point). One thing I am certain of is that a bake sale won't save the day.
                        I don't think so either. How many people actually file a tax return anyways? In my native of Germany, not many people, even though there's money in it for them. I don't look at the tax status of donations. On a more personal note, I don't think the government gets to decide which causes are worthy and which aren't.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by brosis View Post
                          It is free software, free as in free speech, not beer.
                          If you dislike "free", you can use "libre".

                          Also BSD and the like are not "free", they are "open". The word "free" is not mentioned at all, while GPL is explicitly dedicated to protecting "freedom" and includes definition of "free" in Preamble.

                          For those in confusion, go read license text first.
                          Sorry, you know nothing about freedom.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Sergio
                            Sorry, you know nothing about freedom.
                            Go fix your electrical bills before talking shit. OpenBSD loser.

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                            • #59
                              That's a shame

                              Definitely a shame. There was a time (and it may still be true now) when OpenBSD had the most support for various Wi-Fi chipsets. Some of those drivers were ported to FreeBSD (and I'm sure Linux too).

                              They also maintain pf which is continuously integrated back into FreeBSD and possibly other BSDs. Pf is a pretty nice firewall.

                              Sad times for OpenBSD.

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                              • #60
                                /sigh

                                Seriously, the amount of anti-BSD hysteria ITT isn't healthy even by Phoronix standards. I prefer Linux myself, but let's be honest: in some situations OpenBSD has no real competition. For instance, when you need a really secure router but can't afford Cisco. But even without going that far, OpenSSH alone should amount for something. Learn to give respect where respect is due, people.

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