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  • #31
    Why can't they use an emulator?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by JX8p View Post
      Introducing the ignorant anti-BSD troll Pawlerson who is brutally unaware of the fact that not all of the BSDs have "proprietary friends". OpenBSD takes a very hard line on proprietary software -- much harder than the majority of Linux distributions (it's edged out by Trisquel and other distros that refuse to include any sort of binary firmware).
      I don't have to be aware about their conections. OpenBSD is bsd licensed, so it's proprietary friendly. Now you're telling me they take very hard line on proprietary software. Are you serious? It's one of the biggest bullshits I've ever heard.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Annabel View Post
        Why can't they use an emulator?
        Emulators are rarely perfect, from http://wiki.winehq.org/OpenBSD:

        OpenBSD is a Unix-like BSD-based operating system renowned for its security.

        This security means it can be very unforgiving of even slightly ill-behaved programs - both applications running on OpenBSD, and virtual machines OpenBSD is running on.
        OpenBSD doesn't work properly in many virtual machines, because it puts quite a lot of strain on the quality of the emulation.

        So only file bugs that you've seen manifest on a physical PC.
        so they could spend a lot of time tracking down bugs and performance/portability problems that don't actually exist, and are just issues with the emulator/virtual machine.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Vim_User View Post
          Anyways, can't they go for a Kickstarter or IndieGoGo campaign to raise some money?
          On Indiegogo, if they don't hit their funding goal then they lose 9% of what was donated. If they do hit it then they lose 4% (they'd need to use the flexible funding). They've already got a way for people to donate via paypal http://openbsd.org/donations.html. Since they're desperate for money at the moment, they're quite keen not to involve a middleman who needs paying.

          It would give them more publicity, but to be honest now that it's been posted on slashdot I'm not sure how much more publicity it would get them.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by archibald View Post
            On Indiegogo, if they don't hit their funding goal then they lose 9% of what was donated. If they do hit it then they lose 4% (they'd need to use the flexible funding). They've already got a way for people to donate via paypal http://openbsd.org/donations.html. Since they're desperate for money at the moment, they're quite keen not to involve a middleman who needs paying.
            Paypal takes a hefty sum for themselves as well. I learned that when I donated to KDE, FSF and FSFe. The two latter ones accept direct credit card, which is much better because that's what cuts the middle man.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
              Paypal takes a hefty sum for themselves as well. I learned that when I donated to KDE, FSF and FSFe. The two latter ones accept direct credit card, which is much better because that's what cuts the middle man.
              Bitcoin is even better in that sense since it really cuts the middleman.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by eidolon View Post
                Perhaps it's time for the OpenBSD Foundation to consider changing its status. It doesn't really matter for smaller donations, but lack of tax deductibility might discourage larger donation amounts.
                That's quite a US-centric view, given that no EU country that I know of gives tax breaks for donations to private orgs (only to public orgs such as universities count, and those only in some countries).

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                • #38
                  Typo: s/to//

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                    that's what cuts the middle man.
                    No. You still got Visa and MasterCard. They charge you a specific percentage based on the number of transactions your business/organization is doing per month. No middleman would be sending them an envelope with a cheque.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                      Paypal takes a hefty sum for themselves as well. I learned that when I donated to KDE, FSF and FSFe. The two latter ones accept direct credit card, which is much better because that's what cuts the middle man.
                      Solution: bitcoin.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by dee. View Post
                        Solution: bitcoin.
                        ah yes, they can just pay their electricity in bitcoin.
                        Unless a middle man takes a cut when converting to USD?
                        (not even considering the incredible volatility of bitcoins, and how people tend not to like having revenues in one currency and costs in another)

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
                          I don't have to be aware about their conections. OpenBSD is bsd licensed, so it's proprietary friendly. Now you're telling me they take very hard line on proprietary software. Are you serious? It's one of the biggest bullshits I've ever heard.
                          Translation: "I am doing mental gymnastics to cover up my own ignorance.".

                          I strongly recommend educating yourself on the OpenBSD project's views of proprietary software before you rattle on any further on subjects about which the whole of Phoronix knows you are totally ignorant about. Your posts are providing no benefit to the community and you may wish to get a grip and reconsider your hobbies if you aren't prepared to give it a rest. Now, depart from me, go read up about Theo de Raadt and his dedication to Free Software.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by JX8p View Post
                            I strongly recommend educating yourself on the OpenBSD project's views of proprietary software...
                            Originally posted by http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39
                            OpenBSD remains blob-free
                            from: https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html
                            FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD all include instructions for obtaining nonfree programs in their ports system. In addition, their kernels include nonfree firmware blobs.

                            Nonfree firmware programs used with Linux, the kernel, are called “blobs”, and that's how we use the term. In BSD parlance, the term “blob” means something else: a nonfree driver. OpenBSD and perhaps other BSD distributions (called “projects” by BSD developers) have the policy of not including those. That is the right policy, as regards drivers; but when the developers say these distributions “contain no blobs”, it causes a misunderstanding. They are not talking about firmware blobs.

                            No BSD distribution has policies against proprietary binary-only firmware that might be loaded even by free drivers.
                            also the text seems to be talking about their views on ``blobs'' not on proprietary software

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by JX8p View Post
                              I strongly recommend educating yourself on the OpenBSD project's views of proprietary software before you rattle on any further on subjects about which the whole of Phoronix knows you are totally ignorant about. Your posts are providing no benefit to the community and you may wish to get a grip and reconsider your hobbies if you aren't prepared to give it a rest. Now, depart from me, go read up about Theo de Raadt and his dedication to Free Software.
                              Well, Theo has unfortunately also taken a somewhat confrontational approach to GPL too: http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#42

                              That said, I am sad to see OpenBSD struggling, both ssh and ntp are important pieces to the free software ecosystems, and I am very grateful for all the work that has gone into it. I also have a lot of respect for Theo's integrity when it comes to open software. It is a sad state of affairs when FreeBSD gets all the funding for BSD while OpenBSD gets zip. Admittedly I haven't followed the BSDs very closely, so I may be way off. Still, my impression is that all valuable contributions to the wider free ecosystem comes from OpenBSD while FreeBSD does little more than contribute to a destructive fragmentation of the same ecosystem.

                              Unfortunately, I do not personally donate to permissively licensed projects. If I did, and didn't mind the patent issues with the BSD license, then OpenBSD would be at the top of my list.

                              BTW, to avoid the middleman you can use direct bank transfer, works great for KDE. Paypal is unfortunately more convenient, but if the sum is substantial it does make sense to use bank transfer, and depending on your bank's web-site it is far more convenient to do it the second time around.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by JX8p View Post
                                Theo de Raadt and his dedication to Free Software.
                                I don't like BSD in general but I understand the importance of OpenBSD and I definitely hold Theo in high regard. Still, his stance on proprietary software is idealistic and simply isn't helpful in the long run. It's not 1970s anymore, these days if you want freedom you need to fight for it, so views and words need to be backed up by actions.

                                Come think if it FSF should deemphasize the "free" part, maybe even get rid if it completely. Why? Because too many people today think that freedom is actually freedom to abuse the efforts of the community for personal gain. We should stop calling GPL-sheltered software "free". We should instead call it "non-proprietary" (it sounds terrible, I know - there must be a better word that conveys the same idea).

                                Originally posted by Del_ View Post
                                Admittedly I haven't followed the BSDs very closely, so I may be way off. Still, my impression is that all valuable contributions to the wider free ecosystem comes from OpenBSD while FreeBSD does little more than contribute to a destructive fragmentation of the same ecosystem.
                                You're right on the money here.
                                Last edited by prodigy_; 01-16-2014, 09:43 AM.

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