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  • #16
    Originally posted by Ramiliez View Post
    And thats why this initiative is more damaging than useful to Linux ecosystem because it will create illusion that it will run OSX proprietary programs. Just look at Wine it still fails even for some old programs the situation is much worse for new programs

    Consider this OSX user will switch to Linux because he hates NSA spying naturally he will try to transplant his old proprietary programs and he will fail because this emulation will never be as reliable as native programs so hell get annoyed and hell return to OSX

    What we should really do is to port free software from OSX to Linux not port proprietary SW from which will never work because it is moving target and you cannot support properly because its sources are not available.
    I'm finding your comments really hard to justify - you're basically hating on something that has no downside of existing. That's like saying "pepper doesn't go well with as many foods as salt so restaurants should stop putting it out for customers". While pepper might not taste as good and doesn't go well with as many foods, it's not hurting anybody for restaurants to include it to their tables.

    I wouldn't say Darling is damaging to the Linux ecosystem either. Most people who hate linux are the people who switched because of compiz and wine. When you're using linux as a free and fancy alternative to windows, you're gonna have a bad time. Think of it like this - people who switch to linux because of the "illusion that it will run OSX programs" likely would not have ever switched to linux for any other reason. If Darling happens to fail at everything the user expects to do, linux doesn't gain or lose anything. It might get some additional flak, but it'd be flak that would be going to other people who had no intention to switch either. So really, Darling doesn't hurt the linux ecosystem at all.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by uid313 View Post
      Seems rather uninteresting.

      Any OS X software of importance already exists for Windows too, so you can use Wine for that.
      OS X have small market share, so not many applications.
      Most OS X applications seem to be proprietary and commercial too, so pretty boring.
      Most have good Linux alternatives anyways.
      OS X is the second most common desktop OS in the globe. Sorry, but I sure as hell don't want hacked OS X apps running on Linux. I have OS X to run them well. Any attempt to port the necessary parts into GNUStep lost momentum a decade ago.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Ramiliez View Post
        What we should really do is to port free software from OSX to Linux not port proprietary SW from which will never work because it is moving target and you cannot support properly because its sources are not available.
        Are there any free open source software on OS X that aren't on Linux?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
          I'm finding your comments really hard to justify - you're basically hating on something that has no downside of existing. That's like saying "pepper doesn't go well with as many foods as salt so restaurants should stop putting it out for customers". While pepper might not taste as good and doesn't go well with as many foods, it's not hurting anybody for restaurants to include it to their tables.

          I wouldn't say Darling is damaging to the Linux ecosystem either. Most people who hate linux are the people who switched because of compiz and wine. When you're using linux as a free and fancy alternative to windows, you're gonna have a bad time. Think of it like this - people who switch to linux because of the "illusion that it will run OSX programs" likely would not have ever switched to linux for any other reason. If Darling happens to fail at everything the user expects to do, linux doesn't gain or lose anything. It might get some additional flak, but it'd be flak that would be going to other people who had no intention to switch either. So really, Darling doesn't hurt the linux ecosystem at all.
          Yes you are right its authors right to waste his time as he sees fit but it will not change basic fact that Darling will suck for reasons i stated above

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Ramiliez View Post
            Yes you are right its authors right to waste his time as he sees fit but it will not change basic fact that Darling will suck for reasons i stated above
            I don't think it'll suck anywhere near as much as you think. As stated before, Mac and Linux are both POSIX, they both use OpenGL, they are both highly 64-bit optimized, and so on. Comparing Linux to Windows is like apples to oranges, whereas comparing Linux to Mac is like comparing limes to oranges. Obviously there'll be some performance loss but even Wine has had performance improvements over Windows once in a while. Free-BSD is probably a better platform to start with since that is more closely related to Mac. On the other hand, it's graphically inferior to Linux, and Mac is a very graphic intensive OS.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by johnc View Post
              Are there any free open source software on OS X that aren't on Linux?
              Well i checked alternativeto.net and found some SW so yes

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              • #22
                so, er, what programs that are OSX only without a windows counterpart that actually warrant this over using, say, WINE and dedicated the development time of this on WINE instead?
                I guess most graphical applications would run faster than WINE since it would be translating OGL calls to OGL instead of DX -> OGL.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by ChrisXY View Post
                  Yes, but if you are e.g. an artist who has spend the last decade using Photoshop and this is the only program keeping you from using linux, then no.
                  For once!

                  Someone not critisizing gratutiously GIMP.

                  This is rare.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
                    I don't think it'll suck anywhere near as much as you think. As stated before, Mac and Linux are both POSIX, they both use OpenGL, they are both highly 64-bit optimized, and so on. Comparing Linux to Windows is like apples to oranges, whereas comparing Linux to Mac is like comparing limes to oranges. Obviously there'll be some performance loss but even Wine has had performance improvements over Windows once in a while. Free-BSD is probably a better platform to start with since that is more closely related to Mac. On the other hand, it's graphically inferior to Linux, and Mac is a very graphic intensive OS.
                    smoke and mirrors...
                    When porting the most important things are: access to source code and if the program was designed from start to be portable POSIX and other stuff you mentioned its just easing porting/emulation

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by johnc View Post
                      Are there any free open source software on OS X that aren't on Linux?
                      Here are some examples:

                      - Adium
                      - Telephone
                      - Burn
                      - NeoOffice
                      - Skim
                      - Cocoalicious
                      - Seashore
                      - Scaletron!
                      - iStumbler
                      - BibDesk
                      - SimplyBurns
                      - Max

                      I think you can find thousands open source applications for Mac OS X which aren't available for other operating systems like Linux, Windows etc. I saw plenty of commercial and freeware applications which are available only for Mac OS X.

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                      • #26
                        Just FYI, most of the work on Darling is currently being done outside of the main Git repository - e.g. in gnustep-corebase, gnustep-base or darling-dmg (FUSE module to mount .dmg files on Linux).

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by LubosD View Post
                          Just FYI, most of the work on Darling is currently being done outside of the main Git repository - e.g. in gnustep-corebase, gnustep-base or darling-dmg (FUSE module to mount .dmg files on Linux).
                          Do you plan to add support for old applications dedicated for NeXTSTEP (0.8-4.0)?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
                            itune's on Linux Will Be Epic
                            I never thought I could live long enough to see a human being excited about the possibility of using iTunes

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by gbudny View Post
                              Here are some examples:

                              - Adium
                              - Telephone
                              - Burn
                              - NeoOffice
                              - Skim
                              - Cocoalicious
                              - Seashore
                              - Scaletron!
                              - iStumbler
                              - BibDesk
                              - SimplyBurns
                              - Max

                              I think you can find thousands open source applications for Mac OS X which aren't available for other operating systems like Linux, Windows etc. I saw plenty of commercial and freeware applications which are available only for Mac OS X.
                              I ask because if there's a popular one that's open source I would consider attempting to port it to Linux.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by devius View Post
                                I never thought I could live long enough to see a human being excited about the possibility of using iTunes
                                it is really said to see no support for Linux from apple

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