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  • Funny Story With WIndows to Linux User Switcher

    I told MS Windows user to switch to Linux because its "better" and he told me this:

    To make things clear he has 2 years old laptop with this:
    -HP-
    -Intel Core i3 - 2nd gen.
    -AMD HD 6490

    He said:

    "I tried many Linux "types" from distrowatch and none of the Linuxes work. Either they don't boot at all and I end with blank screen or blank screen with garbage or it all crashes with yet another black screen full of garbadge (with predominant word "fglrx").

    If I get things to work, I go deaf because of loud fans and burn my palms. Video is choppy and when I drag windows they break weirdly.

    When I manually switch to integrated graphics through some magical code with triple "c" that I type into a black box ("sudo amdcccle"), I can't then use GIMP 2.8.x (Photoshop doesn't work). It does not start up at all, and only crash popup appears. The video is also choppy and when I drag windows they break weirdly on edges too.

    Sometimes whole system hangs unresponsive randomly or crashes to black screen with garbage all over the screen (repeatably after dragging text file into "Documents" folder) an I have to press the power button because the laptop is completely hang.

    I tried to go on Intel site and AMD site, but clicking on the files/drivers(?) they provided, does nothing.

    Then I searched google for help and I found this:

    fglrx, mesa, x.org, MIR, xMIR, wayland, LLVM, LLVMpipe, Gallium, Gallium3D, Gallium2D, Clang, UVD, NVDPAU, BumbleBee, Prime, OpenCL, OpenGL, VAAPI, r600g , bunch of Islands, and many more...

    WTF?! Are You guys NUTS???

    I sure will definitely tell my girlfriend to use Linux. We are normal we'll stick to Windows."

    To make things clear he has 2 years old laptop with this:

    -HP-
    -Intel Core i3 - 2nd gen.
    -AMD HD 6490

    !!! And the moral of this story is... !!!!

  • #2
    Welcome to Linux!

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    • #3
      Linux is for leet users, not n00bz. If you can use Linux effectively and be able to understand it, it means you need to get laid more.

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      • #4
        Moral of the story is get hardware that works out of the box IMO.
        Last edited by Caledar; 07-17-2013, 12:49 AM.

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        • #5
          I'd take away the moral that if you're going to get somebody to migrate to linux you need to make recommendations and give them help getting used to the new system.

          Otherwise who knows what they will do?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RealNC View Post
            Linux is for leet users, not n00bz. If you can use Linux effectively and be able to understand it, it means you need to get laid more.
            Unfortunately, that's pretty much how it is. We have nothing to offer to the consuming desktop user yet we are so eager to tell everybody how cool Linux is.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Caledar View Post
              Moral of the story is get hardware that works out of the box IMO.
              Every last bit of the TS's friend's hardware is already supported by Linux. Everything went to hell after he tried to install AMD's driver blob.

              And don't start with the 'only stupid people in Windows update their drivers when it is already working" mantra. Windows and OS X users had always had the ability to update to the latest, bleeding edge driver blobs without worrying about compatibility or having it break the display or the OS so badly because the notion of having to to check if the driver is compatible with a certain version of the display server is completely alien to them.

              All they ever need is to know one thing: Driver supported on Windows XP / Vista / 7 / 8? It installs, no problem, kthxbai.

              Unfortunately, that's pretty much how it is. We have nothing to offer to the consuming desktop user yet we are so eager to tell everybody how cool Linux is.
              Don't offer Linux to them as a desktop system. Offer it to them as a server system and tell them that if they intend to work as SysAdmins it's an ideal OS to attain some proficiency in.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SafetyNinja View Post
                Then I searched google for help and I found this:

                fglrx, mesa, x.org, MIR, xMIR, wayland, LLVM, LLVMpipe, Gallium, Gallium3D, Gallium2D, Clang, UVD, NVDPAU, BumbleBee, Prime, OpenCL, OpenGL, VAAPI, r600g , bunch of Islands, and many more...

                WTF?! Are You guys NUTS???

                I sure will definitely tell my girlfriend to use Linux. We are normal we'll stick to Windows."

                To make things clear he has 2 years old laptop with this:

                -HP-
                -Intel Core i3 - 2nd gen.
                -AMD HD 6490

                !!! And the moral of this story is... !!!!
                The moral of the story is - long exposition to windows makes you stupid enough to assume normality = good and Catalyst = Linux.

                For example:
                catalyst, nvidia, dwm, comctrl, ole, com, .net, vb.net, msh, corefonts, LLVM, Clang, FAT12, FAT16, FAT32, VFAT, exFAT, NTFS, cacls, UVD, VxD, WDM, WDDM, WDF, BDA, Miniport/Class/Bus drivers, REGISTRY??!, wga, vga? wpa?, bunch of malware oh common!

                I better retain my nerves and use Linux!

                Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
                Don't offer Linux to them as a desktop system. Offer it to them as a server system and tell them that if they intend to work as SysAdmins it's an ideal OS to attain some proficiency in.
                Better tell everyone that windows sucks on desktops, it sucks on servers and you suck everywhere. In the end, its reason why you post here!
                Last edited by brosis; 08-04-2013, 08:31 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by brosis View Post
                  Better tell everyone that windows sucks on desktops, it sucks on servers and you suck everywhere. In the end, its reason why you post here!
                  Trouble is, they have lots and lots of killer apps. But on linux I have tools that I don't have on windows, and I'm not giving them up anytime soon.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Caledar View Post
                    Trouble is, they have lots and lots of killer apps. But on linux I have tools that I don't have on windows, and I'm not giving them up anytime soon.
                    Yeah, but apps are not a trouble per se. They are proprietary, hence not portable, hence use WINE, VM, or even bare. No one cares!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by brosis View Post
                      No one cares!
                      Good

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                        Linux is for leet users, not n00bz. If you can use Linux effectively and be able to understand it, it means you need to get laid more.
                        I would but your mother upped her rates...


                        my experience with linux:


                        it runs on anything/everything



                        now does it run well? depends:


                        sometimes it's a matter of finding firmwares or other shit and stuff seems to work


                        WHEN you have to start editing .confs and mess with shit like Xorg or whatever, you better forget it

                        so I have 3 scenarios:

                        A. Everything mostly works OTB

                        B. It needs 20 minutes of internet browsing, firmware finding etc to get a system to work

                        C. Nightmare scenario (mostly involving amd/radeon/mac/powerpc where you waste hours upon hours trying to get a system to work and it never does.
                        Last edited by Pallidus; 09-05-2013, 08:19 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by brosis View Post
                          The moral of the story is - long exposition to windows makes you stupid enough to assume normality = good and Catalyst = Linux.

                          For example:
                          catalyst, nvidia, dwm, comctrl, ole, com, .net, vb.net, msh, corefonts, LLVM, Clang, FAT12, FAT16, FAT32, VFAT, exFAT, NTFS, cacls, UVD, VxD, WDM, WDDM, WDF, BDA, Miniport/Class/Bus drivers, REGISTRY??!, wga, vga? wpa?, bunch of malware oh common!

                          I better retain my nerves and use Linux!
                          Yeah except you don't need to research all those. You just slap in the install dvd from the box and it works.

                          I have got many users to use linux. But I preconfigure the boxes for them and then disable updates and won't tell the root password. So they use it for the stuff it's configured for and are content.

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                          • #14
                            If you want to introduce someone to linux,

                            1. Install it for them, as dual boot, and make sure it works.
                            2. Tell them to use it as a backup system for when they have one of those Windows problems, that you as the pc guy are expected to fix.
                            3. Wait for windows to break
                            4. ....
                            5. "Windows has broken again, but it's not urgent I've been using that unix thing you installed."
                            6 One less windows system that you need to maintain.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by brosis View Post
                              The moral of the story is - long exposition to windows makes you stupid enough to assume normality = good and Catalyst = Linux.

                              For example:
                              catalyst, nvidia, dwm, comctrl, ole, com, .net, vb.net, msh, corefonts, LLVM, Clang, FAT12, FAT16, FAT32, VFAT, exFAT, NTFS, cacls, UVD, VxD, WDM, WDDM, WDF, BDA, Miniport/Class/Bus drivers, REGISTRY??!, wga, vga? wpa?, bunch of malware oh common!

                              I better retain my nerves and use Linux!


                              Better tell everyone that windows sucks on desktops, it sucks on servers and you suck everywhere. In the end, its reason why you post here!
                              No point in fooling ourselves. If you're not prepared to learn and deal with issues, switching to Linux on the desktop is a needless hassle.

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