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  • Sony's PlayStation 4 Is Running Modified FreeBSD 9

    Phoronix: Sony's PlayStation 4 Is Running Modified FreeBSD 9

    The operating system at the heart of Sony's PlayStation 4 is FreeBSD 9.0...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTM5NDI

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    But can FreeBSD run on Playstation or any of its software? Any *freedoms* left after Sony facelifting? Would also be interesting if at least Sony contributed anything back?..

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    • #3
      So, what APIs will be available there for developers?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by brosis View Post
        But can FreeBSD run on Playstation or any of its software? Any *freedoms* left after Sony facelifting? Would also be interesting if at least Sony contributed anything back?..

        Probably contributed some things back the same way Apple does-- maintaining their patches out-of-tree is a big maintenance burden that just adds more work for them.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by shmerl View Post
          So, what APIs will be available there for developers?
          A combination of the BSD POSIX-like APIs for basic OS/hardware services, some superior games-centric APIs (a port of the Direct3D 11 graphics API rather than the CAD-oriented OpenGL mess as one example), plus the console-specific Sony PSN/chat/profile/video/controller APIs.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ericg View Post
            Probably contributed some things back the same way Apple does-- maintaining their patches out-of-tree is a big maintenance burden that just adds more work for them.
            i doubt that Sony give anything back.

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            • #7
              Michael, can you please stop posting wild rumors as fact?

              That's beyond unprofessional.
              Last edited by birdie; 06-23-2013, 04:06 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Nille View Post
                i doubt that Sony give anything back.
                http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/f...ch/013744.html

                I do not think that Sony will do anything great in FreeBSD but as Ericg said... out of tree patches are not what anybody do for a long time.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BO$$
                  OMFG FreeBSD! Sony must be Satan! I am curios what the linux zealots will say to this one. Hahahaha they chose FreeBSD over Linux. This is really fun. Linux is really being adopted by the people. See what happens when you are fanatical? It drives people away. Which is the opposite of what we want...or say we want.
                  They did not adopt Ubuntu and windows, thats for sure. So you must be crying ಥ_ಥ

                  Also, what did they gave back to BSD that makes you assume of any adoption profit? That way, it plays no role - if they write their own or take BSD/MIT-licensed and close it down; it lands as an end-user black-box appliance anyway.

                  Originally posted by birdie View Post
                  Michael, can you please stop posting wild rumors as fact?

                  That's beyond unprofessional.
                  Talk about that, you yourself are a number one FUD poster.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by brosis View Post
                    But can FreeBSD run on Playstation or any of its software? Any *freedoms* left after Sony facelifting? Would also be interesting if at least Sony contributed anything back?..
                    This is whats wrong with BSD licensed software in general. It allows companies to just take and take and give nothing back but a locked down system.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by nukem View Post
                      This is whats wrong with BSD licensed software in general. It allows companies to just take and take and give nothing back but a locked down system.
                      One could also argue that there's something wrong with the companies themselves, when they don't see the benefits of the open source development and business model. The BSD lisence is more liberal than GNU GPL anyhow, so that it lets the companies choose whether or not they want to contribute.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by nukem View Post
                        This is whats wrong with BSD licensed software in general. It allows companies to just take and take and give nothing back but a locked down system.
                        Its not wrong... it is okay for BSD developers and okay for companies... you should understand this aspect. Of course its not copyleft and there is zero freedom guarantees.

                        Originally posted by M1kkko View Post
                        One could also argue that there's something wrong with the companies themselves, when they don't see the benefits of the open source development and business model. The BSD lisence is more liberal than GNU GPL anyhow, so that it lets the companies choose whether or not they want to contribute.
                        One could also argue that being *too good* equals being very evil. I wouldn't see BSD as anything direction *opensource development*. Opencore, shareware, code dump - yes. But no freedoms, since they are not guaranteed.
                        Last edited by brosis; 06-23-2013, 04:40 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BO$$
                          OMFG FreeBSD! Sony must be Satan! I am curios what the linux zealots will say to this one. Hahahaha they chose FreeBSD over Linux. This is really fun. Linux is really being adopted by the people. See what happens when you are fanatical? It drives people away. Which is the opposite of what we want...or say we want.
                          There is something wrong with your brain.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by elanthis View Post
                            A combination of the BSD POSIX-like APIs for basic OS/hardware services, some superior games-centric APIs (a port of the Direct3D 11 graphics API rather than the CAD-oriented OpenGL mess as one example), plus the console-specific Sony PSN/chat/profile/video/controller APIs.
                            Is this confirmed that Sony is writing their own graphics API rather than using OpenGL? That's a bit disappointing.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by elanthis View Post
                              A combination of the BSD POSIX-like APIs for basic OS/hardware services, some superior games-centric APIs (a port of the Direct3D 11 graphics API rather than the CAD-oriented OpenGL mess as one example), plus the console-specific Sony PSN/chat/profile/video/controller APIs.
                              D3D 11 on FreeBSD? This sounds rather weird to be true. Do you know this for sure? Isn't it Microsoft only, or it's some kind of independent mapping implementation similar to Wine's approach? I'd rather expect them to have OpenGL there. If you have any sources, that would be helpful.
                              Last edited by shmerl; 06-23-2013, 04:48 PM.

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