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  • #16
    These days I sadly find less and less reasons to cheer for Ubuntu.

    Mark and Canonical should take a lesson from history.
    Look at what happened to the companies who buddied up with Microsoft. Novell, SCO, Xandros, Linspire... All in the recycle bin. Nokia might follow the same path. Red Hat, on the other hand, didn't bend its knees and is prospering. Google is in no bad shape as well.

    Now to which group does Canonical want to belong?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by johnc View Post
      The other day he was extolling the virtues of Microsoft. I think it's just another step in Canonical abandoning the desktop altogether. Or kind of a round-about way of admitting defeat.
      Yeah, I don't think Canonical cares about the desktop anymore, they're focusing on phones and tablets now.

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      • #18
        IMO, this phone thing is their last-ditch effort to make it. If this doesn't work, they're done. The writing is on the wall. There's just no point in sustaining such a huge enterprise like Canonical with so little progress.

        Unfortunately I see their phone as being in a similar market position as the desktop. There are bigger players and much better products. I think it's going to be a "for fans only" kind of phone.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by johnc View Post
          IMO, this phone thing is their last-ditch effort to make it. If this doesn't work, they're done. The writing is on the wall. There's just no point in sustaining such a huge enterprise like Canonical with so little progress.

          Unfortunately I see their phone as being in a similar market position as the desktop. There are bigger players and much better products. I think it's going to be a "for fans only" kind of phone.
          I think i agree - although they won't necessarily just shut down. But if the mobile stuff doesn't pan out I definitely see Shuttleworth trying to sell the company, and who knows what the new owners would focus on. Maybe keep working on mobile, or maybe somebody out there would try to turn it back towards making desktop linux profitable. Dismantling the entire company is 1 possibility.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
            The personal computing market is now more broad than it was in 2004 with phones, tablets, and wearable computing now being out there.

            They redefined the desktop to personal computing market.
            No it has not! There were phones before 2004. Current tables and smartphones are nothing else but notebooks. Nothing changed.

            In fact, the only "change" was due to Google acting right on reaping smartphone market from microsoft, but it did wrong by not using clean Linux and most important totally ignoring opensource in userspace.

            No, they have not changed anything. Desktops stayed, parts of it are attacked by consoles. Tablets just tried to replace notebooks, but failed in some ways - show me tablet with exchangable battery xD. This whole modern roar is about nothing, exactly like roar of stereo 3D that comes and goes every decade. How is messaging gadget supposed to replace PC experience?

            Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
            And I am sure he is catapulted in that position because Microsoft, being evil, has forced Canonical to employ him and make him their master. I don't say anything about closed source nvidia because I never used nvidia drivers since I don't have a nvidia card. What I do say is that the closed source drivers are better performace-wise than anything open source and for right now open source guys should learn to play along with the big boys if they want a chance on the market instead of complaining that AMD and nvidia don't open source their drivers.
            Yes, I agree here. They are upon some agreement, probably Ubuntu will be either sold to MS, or MS will substitute all other Linuxes on servers with Ubuntu server in exchange for serious Linux infestation with microsoft or microsoft-controlled.
            But I disagree on the rest, because I like my opensource big boys - gutenprint for epson, radeon and intel for corresponding hardware! They perform way better than closed source parts, so closed source has to quit attaching itself to everything that is critical yet feeding on opensource and learn to play with big boys!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
              You should complain to nvidia for not providing viable/sane/OSS drivers for their crappy hardware.

              Either that or upgrade to a radeon.
              There is no sane driver for nvidia, except closed. What they should have done, is to create support channels for such opensource projects like nouveau and similar. Or ship closed source working drivers. Instead they shipped broken drivers without any support.

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              • #22
                What if MS is looking to bring Office 365 to Linux with an exclusive release for Ubuntu? MS seems to be eager to get on the subscription services bandwagon.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by brosis View Post
                  No, they have not changed anything. Desktops stayed, parts of it are attacked by consoles. Tablets just tried to replace notebooks, but failed in some ways - show me tablet with exchangable battery xD. This whole modern roar is about nothing, exactly like roar of stereo 3D that comes and goes every decade. How is messaging gadget supposed to replace PC experience?
                  Mine's one: http://www.shopfujitsu.com/Q550/ Mind you, it uses a PowerVR chip... And no, it's not supposed to replace the PC experience in the slightest. It's supposed to replace the notebook experience. The actual notebook, paper and all, not notebook as in laptop.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                    It would be a genius move! Hopefully it will happen. Office on Ubuntu would be great. Fuck that LibreOffice POS.
                    People still pay 600+ for software?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                      Especially if it works. Most people are used to Office. Getting it on Ubuntu would be great. A great blow would be if they got a way of making it work only on Ubuntu and not any other distro. Ubuntu would skyrocket while the rest would...well... nothing.
                      Yeah, of course, as if Microsoft intentionally would abandon the huge installation base of RHEL machines. And if serious companies would change from their stable Red Hat or Suse base to something as buggy as Ubuntu. Dream along, this won't happen.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                        Especially if it works. Most people are used to Office. Getting it on Ubuntu would be great. A great blow would be if they got a way of making it work only on Ubuntu and not any other distro. Ubuntu would skyrocket while the rest would...well... nothing.
                        I think time would be better spent making your comments only work with Windows forums where they belong.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                          Android did just perfect by breaking away from linux and only using parts of it along with linux kernel. And also they had the great idea of not using the word linux. The fact that most applications are closed source is another big plus. If they were open nobody would have actually built apps for it and iPhone would have won. Playing nice with closed source is the way to go. Idealism is to be put aside in businesses and Google has to make money.

                          Open source video drivers are shit when it comes to performance. Closed source still rule and will continue to do so in the forseeable future.
                          Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                          It would be a genius move! Hopefully it will happen. Office on Ubuntu would be great. Fuck that LibreOffice POS.
                          LOL! You are like girl! I need a vocabulary to translate you!
                          Disassembling "BO$$":
                          What BOSS says = What he means

                          "No" = "Yes"
                          "Yes" = "No"
                          "Genius move" = "Huge trouble"
                          "* great" = "* will be catastrophe"
                          "* perfect" = "* huge mistake"
                          "Fuck that" = "Very compelling project"
                          "POS" = "killer software"
                          "Shit" = "works very well, very impressive"
                          "big plus" = "huge minus"
                          "closed source" = "microsoft and goons"
                          "make money" = "lie, lie, lie, li-ke me"
                          "Idealism" = "Freedom"

                          Originally posted by timothyja View Post
                          I think time would be better spent making your comments only work with Windows forums where they belong.
                          +1 to that, plus he should take birdie, ворот93, sonadow, that guy - with him; quite a collection of microsoft turfers we have here. : )
                          Last edited by brosis; 05-30-2013, 06:13 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by timothyja View Post
                            This comes no long after this headline was released.
                            Man From Microsoft Runs the Ubuntu Project Now: http://techrights.org/2013/05/15/ubu...osoft-veteran/
                            In other news: random person links to Dr. Roy Schitforbrains and expects to be taken seriously.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                              In other news: random person links to Dr. Roy Schitforbrains and expects to be taken seriously.
                              In other news: random person users a baseball players name their user id and expects to be taken seriously.

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                              • #30
                                Ain't gonna happen

                                Originally posted by phoronix View Post
                                Phoronix: Shuttleworth Closes Bug #1, Microsoft's Market Share

                                Interestingly, this morning Mark Shuttleworth decided to close Ubuntu's Bug #1 on Launchpad, the bug report created by him in 2004 about Microsoft having a majority market-share. He feels that the Windows creator is no longer commanding the market, but neither is Ubuntu...

                                http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTM4MTU


                                Hi there,

                                Letter not for ADD folks.

                                I've been tracking what some major graphics companies have been doing for some time now and the state is appalling, not only for any Linux kernel based distribution, but for everyone.

                                First the Nvidia goes on war with that Intel graphics based on P III (amazing performance),that requires SLI by refusing the patents or license, so Intel won't compete with Nvidia in corporate segement. Intel responses to Nvidia (and thus AMD) by "attaching" the graphics to the CPU, which basically means Nvidia (and AMD) have to reverse engineer Intel graphics and the drivers (on any OS), which is illegal. That means Nvidia or AMD are forbidden to provide proper drivers for their own product, thus making them not to perform at full capabilites and always being crappy. All pictures or videos have to go through Intel CPU/GPU in the end.

                                That means that the Nvidia or AMD graphics are at best of a second sort. Moreover it questions the legality of their dirvers, because for example on laptops with Windows- AMD provides unassigned Intel graphics drivers inside subfolder of subfolder of their own driver. If they don't AMDs graphic will not work at all. Not only that- they cannot do it legally so they don't offer drivers for laptops on their support website. They make the vendors like HP and DELL to do that, thus making the drivers extreme old and buggy for the laptops these vendors sell. And HP or DELL are absolutely in no interest or position to change it. Why would they? The product is out and sold. The money is in the bank account. Who cares!

                                Moreover. It got to the point that even Windows users know now what graphic power management and sync to vblank is. It was unheard of a few years back.

                                Another thing is that Nvidia is not intersted in doing the drivers for any platform. First its the same stroy as with AMD: making drivers is a cost. Once GPU is out, nobody cares. Drivers do not generate sales. Only framerates and demos on computer shows/fairs. But reality is different. And they get the money elsewhere.

                                For example Nivia recently build a complete new system from scratch that is selling very well. It functions as a game streaming service so people can play games on thin clients and everything is rendered on that system. If they make tons of money by selling content (royalties, like 3 dollars of every game title that is rendered on that machines) they will make amazing money. So why would they need any drivers for some shitty laptops? Why would they hire bunch of programmers, when they hire two and they make the drivers for their system. The system that makes the money, not the laptops that don't. They may be selling GPUs to vendors, yes- that makes money, but the drivers don't. And once the hardware is out it does not generate any revenue stream. So why generate additional post sale cost? No f... way.


                                So will Linux based distros receive working graphic drvers? Ever?. No! Who cares about sync to vblank for Linux (and now even for Windows!!!). Keep dreaming about waylands, mirrs or desktop acceleration. It ain't gonna happen. Never. Linux is a post sale cost. There has never been a proper support, there always was video and desktop tearing for nvidia, complete lack of working drivers for AMD and shit for Intel working 3 times slower than on Windows and without OpenCL, wich renders programms like GIMP 2.8.x unstartable on Intel machines. Pair it with non working AMD and you're out. Not to mention VAAPIs, NVDPAUs and other stuff like renering videos on GPU. Keep dreaming.


                                PS. And now Linux got that amazing gift from Intel, called UEFI and awesome present from Microsoft called Banned Boot without USB. Hoorraaay!

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