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  • #16
    Originally posted by frign View Post
    Now looking at the Hurd, it is amazing how much these guys achieved with their relatively limited manpower.
    While true, the point still stands. Hurd might be a fun project for developers to hack on, but it's hard to see it having a future as anything more than a toy for those developers. Not if they've got so few people that both SATA and USB are still on the todo list... we're talking about something that will never boot outside of a VM or on hardware old enough to still support ps/2 ports and PATA drives...

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    • #17
      Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
      Stop with the bullshit! GNU Hurd is useless. No one uses it! Hell it even still has memory leaks so it needs a reboot every once in a while. It's at the level of windows 98. The fact that is still in development just shows how many programmers are completely out of touch with reality. Why would you work on something that is a clear dead end?

      All those devs would get better recognition and contribute better to the world if they would work on linux. But noooo, linux has blobs which are evil! So we must reinvent the wheel, worse, reinvent the square wheel, and say it's better since you can cd instead of use fuse. WTF? I cd into my ntfs dirs no problem whatsoever. If that is the Hurd advantage then I will continue laughing at that POS. It's not even positioned in the market. What need does it try to solve? Nothing. Just a random bunch of idealists building their kernel thinking they are some superior hotshot programmers just because they are different. HURD IS TURD! Chant with me.
      You insult Windows 98: at least it supported USB and audio devices, and SATA could be made to work to some extent. :P

      OTOH, remember it's their time they're wasting, not mine or yours. Just like the fact that I don't play any computer games does not mean that I have a right to criticize your choice to work on those instead of Firefox or FreeCAD.

      BTW: minix has 2/4 done: SATA and audio; usb and amd64 are TODO.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Ibidem View Post
        You insult Windows 98: at least it supported USB and audio devices, and SATA could be made to work to some extent. :P

        OTOH, remember it's their time they're wasting, not mine or yours. Just like the fact that I don't play any computer games does not mean that I have a right to criticize your choice to work on those instead of Firefox or FreeCAD.

        BTW: minix has 2/4 done: SATA and audio; usb and amd64 are TODO.
        Via ddekit, usb actually works just fine on minix3. That's basically just running linux's usb code inside a minix driver.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by bo$$ View Post
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          Last edited by systemd rulez; 02-11-2013, 06:20 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by frign View Post
            Now looking at the Hurd, it is amazing how much these guys achieved with their relatively limited manpower. Stop complaining and start constructive work, though I am sure you will never reach the efficiency of the Hurd-developers unless you stop trolling all over the place.
            "all over the place", come on.. Those were just my 2 cents.

            I may appreciate the efforts of the Hurd developers. But, as BO$$ meant, an operating system which, on modern computers, won't work properly (no USB=No keyboard, mouse or thumbdrives) or install (no SATA= no hard disk install, not even booting from a modern DVD drive) is useless. And spending 23 years on a purposeless software is throwing your life away.

            It looks like a group of engineers who share the dream of developing the most advanced steam engine in the world start working, their idea does not attract many people but they go straight on with it anyway, and after a couple of centuries they come out with a barely working steamer which "with still some, uh, loads of adjustments, fixing and developing it might work on some 1800's coaches" while the world all around them is traveling on hybrid-powered cars, jet airplanes, electric hi-speed trains and coming-soon maglev tracks.

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            • #21
              What the hell are you up to?

              Originally posted by Pickup View Post
              "all over the place", come on.. Those were just my 2 cents.

              I may appreciate the efforts of the Hurd developers. But, as BO$$ meant, an operating system which, on modern computers, won't work properly (no USB=No keyboard, mouse or thumbdrives) or install (no SATA= no hard disk install, not even booting from a modern DVD drive) is useless. And spending 23 years on a purposeless software is throwing your life away.

              It looks like a group of engineers who share the dream of developing the most advanced steam engine in the world start working, their idea does not attract many people but they go straight on with it anyway, and after a couple of centuries they come out with a barely working steamer which "with still some, uh, loads of adjustments, fixing and developing it might work on some 1800's coaches" while the world all around them is traveling on hybrid-powered cars, jet airplanes, electric hi-speed trains and coming-soon maglev tracks.
              Nope, this analogy is wrong.

              Contrary to the comparison of steam-machines and hybrid-cars, high-speed-trains and coming-up maglev-tracks, the requirements for a Kernel haven't changed that rapidly over the years.
              Granted, the Hurd needs more suppport for standards like SATA and USB, no question, but unless you are a kid like BO$$, focusing on the *direct* practicability of a Kernel, the advantages of the Hurd are clear:
              BO$$ doesn't understand what translators are, so his points are ultimatively rendered invalid, as he does not know how the Hurd works in any way. He might be only able to think in the scope of a person just interested to play games, use proprietary software and benchmarking his system, not taking in regard the Hurd-codebase is not as well-optimized as the Linux's one.

              The reason it takes so long for the Hurd-developers to implement USB, SATA and all this other fancy stuff we seemingly cannot live without today is the fact, that they attempt to implement it in a way it suits the design-specification.
              No matter how well the Linux-Kernel works, it suffers from many horrible and lousy design-decisions which hinder the actual implementation of new features and standards, which are in many ways completely different from past implementations of old standards.
              Aiming to be compatible with many more situations than what the Linux-Kernel could ever offer, we now may have a quite featureless Hurd, but hell, considering what has been implemented, it bloody works without lousy workarounds (cf. FUSE, which is an abomination to human kind).

              You might ask: Why don't they start implementing the new features now? I answer: Why should they do it now?
              No one really urges them to do it. If you have read into the topic, you would understand, that GNU-developers never really see the urge to follow corporate-demands (unless corporations and individuals pay them), but to design something which in itself is not faulty and prone to implementations of a rushed kind.

              Run the Hurd in QEMU and use it for a while; you will eventually see what I mean, even if you might not agree with or understand what I mean presently.
              Last edited by frign; 02-24-2013, 08:11 AM.

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