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  • #16
    Why would someone spend that much money on a Mac and then use Linux on it?

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    • #17
      And if you are going to buy a laptop to run Linux on why wouldn't you just buy something from Zareason, System76 or Ohava? Really? Why dick around with some POS that may only half work half of the time when you can get something you know will work 100% and will support a smaller company instead of a gigantic sure happy megacorp?

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      • #18
        Sorry, Michael, NOT A LEMON! But don't buy is right

        OK, MIchael, you made me subscribe to comment on your utter piece of cr*ap article. The way you phrased the article makes it sound like it's somehow Linux's fault that it doesn't work on brand new closed hardware with no documentation. Sheesh, way to get lost in the reality distortion field!

        I'm typing this on an MBP with the HiDPI screen, 16G RAM and 512G SSD, and it's pretty darn good. In fact the Unity DE is more usable than OSX, unless all your OSX apps are HiDPI. I tried to run Linux as a VM under OSX, but the (OSX) experience was so bad I switched to running Ubuntu 12.04 natively instead. Sure 12.04 doesn't work perfectly out of the box, but neither does OSX. You can't even change font sizes on OSX, for crying out loud! (You can buy a $20 app for that. SERIOUSLY!)

        The trackpad is awful under both OSX and Linux if you click with one hand and move the cursor with the other. One-handed scrolling and clicking... meh, no thanks.

        $10 USB ethernet and wifi adapters can be had for networking. Ethernet is a hardware limitation (no ethernet port) and the b43 wifi driver is a little flaky with encrypted connections. Sleep/waking up work flawlessly and very fast. Amazing, considering.

        So if it's "prrety darn good", why do I agree that it should be avoided? Simply put: there's better out there (the Thinkpad X1 Carbon for one) at much better prices. I had no choice in my hardware selection (yeah, poor me, $3000 laptop ;-) because we only buy Apple at work.
        Apart from the trackpad's missing buttons, lack of HiDPI apps and font size issues, there are some baffling design lapses in the whole package:
        - so-so keyboard
        - sharp edges everywhere, ouch, makes me want to file it down in a few places to make it more comfortable. It just feels unfinished and impractical.
        - a dongle for everything: the price of the DVI adapter is enough to buy a whole new monitor
        - switching between internal and external screens is not as smooth under OSX as under Linux - the latter makes it far easier to place the launcher and switch font sizes to match a particular screen.
        - of course Apple has become more and more immoral as time goes by, so I wouldn't give my own money to them.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Kivada View Post
          And if you are going to buy a laptop to run Linux on why wouldn't you just buy something from Zareason, System76 or Ohava? Really? Why dick around with some POS that may only half work half of the time when you can get something you know will work 100% and will support a smaller company instead of a gigantic sure happy megacorp?
          When those smaller companies offer equivalent features, such as the high-res screen, aluminium chassis, backlit keyboard, battery life.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by hengestone View Post
            I'm typing this on an MBP with the HiDPI screen, 16G RAM and 512G SSD
            That is about the hardware in my laptop I bought 2 years ago... from Clevo. Not sure what the screen means...

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            • #21
              Article is incorrect

              In the article it states "With Apple OS X and Microsoft Windows drivers, the system can dynamically switch between the Intel and NVIDIA GPUs". This is not correct. Only in OS X can the system switch between GPUs. On Windows you are forced to use the dedicated GPU at all times and no switching is possible.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by thomasjs View Post
                Why would someone spend that much money on a Mac and then use Linux on it?
                Sure beats running apple on it.....
                Just sayin'.

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                • #23
                  We also buy Windows hardware and put Linux on it, with varying success depending on the internals.

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                  • #24
                    In other news, a lemon is a lemon on the fruit stand.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by adriankx View Post
                      looks like michael does an articol about same apple crap every week or every few days. cut if off ppl got the idea.
                      LOL. I was surprised he didn't string this article out for a couple of more pages to get more advertising revenue.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by curaga View Post
                        When those smaller companies offer equivalent features, such as the high-res screen, aluminium chassis, backlit keyboard, battery life.
                        While those are nice features, there are many other features that ZaReason beats the Mac on, like more RAM, faster processors, room for dual SSDs and/or HDs, removable battery, included optical drive, and best of all a much lower price. Oh, and out of the box support for just about any Linux distro.

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                        • #27
                          Yep, even the open-source Intel Linux graphics aren't working right with the Retina MacBook Pro hardware. If rebooting the system and using nomodeset in addition to noapic, at least the display will properly light up and we can proceed to the Linux desktop... However, that's without Intel kernel mode-setting and thus no 3D acceleration support.
                          This looks like it might be fixed in kernel 3.6-rc2. From the changelog:

                          Merge branch 'drm-intel-fixes' of git://people.freedesktop.org/~danvet/drm-intel into drm-fixes

                          Daniel Vetter writes:

                          "A few important fixers:
                          <SNIP>
                          - make the retina mbp work (ignore bogus edp bpc value in vbt)
                          <SNIP>
                          "

                          and:

                          author Daniel Vetter
                          Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:10:20 +0000 (11:10 +0200)
                          committer Daniel Vetter
                          Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:42:52 +0000 (21:42 +0200)
                          commit 4344b813f105a19f793f1fd93ad775b784648b95
                          tree f134624a5e29ba31044ae0a9997f274426774531
                          parent 770c12312ad617172b1a65b911d3e6564fc5aca8

                          drm/i915: ignore eDP bpc settings from vbt

                          This has originally been introduced to not oversubscribe the dp links
                          in

                          commit 885a5fb5b120a5c7e0b3baad7b0feb5a89f76c18
                          Author: Zhenyu Wang
                          Date: Tue Jan 12 05:38:31 2010 +0800

                          drm/i915: fix pixel color depth setting on eDP

                          Since then we've fixed up the dp link bandwidth calculation code and
                          should now automatically fall back to 6bpc dithering. So this is
                          unnecessary.

                          Furthermore it seems to break the new MacbookPro with retina display,
                          hence let's just rip this out.

                          Reported-by: Benoit Gschwind
                          Cc: Benoit Gschwind
                          Cc: Francois Rigaut
                          Cc: Greg KH
                          Cc: stable@vger.kernel.org
                          Tested-by: Benoit Gschwind
                          Tested-by: Bernhard Froemel
                          Signed-off-by: Daniel Vetter

                          --

                          Testing feedback highgly welcome, and thanks for Benoit for finding
                          out that the bpc computations are busted.
                          -Daniel

                          And best of all, this has been cc'd to stable, so it will almost certainly turn up in the 3.5 kernel series soon.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Syke View Post
                            While those are nice features, there are many other features that ZaReason beats the Mac on, like more RAM, faster processors, room for dual SSDs and/or HDs, removable battery, included optical drive, and best of all a much lower price. Oh, and out of the box support for just about any Linux distro.
                            Please stop making bogus comparisons. What you are describing is a desktop replacement. No one in the market for a proper laptop wants to carry such weight every day.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by genstorm View Post
                              Please stop making bogus comparisons. What you are describing is a desktop replacement. No one in the market for a proper laptop wants to carry such weight every day.
                              Check out the Strata. http://zareason.com/shop/Strata-7330.html It's very much a proper laptop. Or check out the thin UltraLap. http://zareason.com/shop/UltraLap-430.html

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                              • #30
                                Meh. Running linux on the macbook pro retina is fine for those who are Advanced/Expert linux users. I had a few issues getting stuff working initially but now everything I need works perfectly.

                                FYI noapic is only needed on some kernels for some distro's.

                                Using the NVIDIA binary driver will work for the GeForce GT 650M on the Retina MacBook Pro, but switching to the discrete NVIDIA GPU requires booting OS X and using a utility for manually switching that GPU to drive the display.
                                I have never had to boot into OS X and enabled the discrete graphics card to get the gt 650m working for me.

                                I used an external monitor via thunderbolt -> dual link DVI adapter (2560x1440) with no problems.

                                Thunderbolt ethernet support problem is only no hotplug but otherwise performance is great.

                                My only real bitches are wifi performance is not that great and the backlight but otherwise its a very workable system.

                                Also I am not 100% sure the intel/nvidia switching stuff is working properly on windows either but I haven't tested with a meter to be sure.

                                Why would you recommend a VM just to run at lower resolution? Just run the thing at 1440x900 then LOL. Honestly I like as much desktop real-estate as I can get and some people actually have good eyes.

                                I have no problems with 2880x1800 on this display with X set at 75 DPI which is smaller than most people already use on 100 ppi screens.

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