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  • #61
    Originally posted by uid313 View Post

    Maybe someone (you?) could port or clone DTrace, CARP & pfsync, etc?
    I would, if i could. But unfortunately, i am so far away from being able to deliver a quality of code like the linux- or bsd-kernel developers do, that i'm struggling of even dreaming about it

    But somehow, i`m so happy that things are like they are. Imagine the perfect OS. How boring would it be, if we couldn't achieve anything anymore. It's like life, you can't have all of it and somehow i think, it is a good thing.

    But as the post above cites correctly, that people (often management) are simply unable to "see the truth", and therefore unable to paying tribute to people, who have done great things.

    Take these kernel for instance, made by people who put sometimes their life efforts in what they do and companies make millions and billions of their work and still, to the most people, they are just "the nerds from the end of the road". So i cant tell you, how much respect i have for the people who make it even possible for us, to have something to discuss about in the first place.

    So stating, x is crap and y is king or whatever, feels kind of "short minded" to me.

    Heck, what do i love the oss community

    And N.B: Oracle Linux is so much better than Red Hat's Linux, because it's made by a bigger company.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by ryao View Post
      Can you name changes in Xorg that actually made a difference in how you use your computer? Making a bunch of changes to be able to increase its version number is pointless unless its capabilities improve. While I am certain that there are improvements there, I am not certain that you can notice them. I have been through several Xorg versions in Gentoo Linux. Having had those upgrades was nice, but I have yet to see any obvious benefit.
      Here is a change that is very significant for me, recently I upgraded my desktops to Intel chipsets and graphics because I got frustrated with Nouveau/nVidia.
      Intel is known for best documented support for open source.

      I have spent the last two days trying to get FreeBSD 9.1 and 10 beta running on my hardware and I found out that my Ivybridge Intel Graphics is not supported.
      The processor is an Intel g2020 with builtin graphics. Compared to nVidia is a true pleasure to install Linux.

      I have used FreeBSD a decade ago (release 4.*) and I wanted to use it again.
      Hardware support was a problem then, and it still is!

      Today I found out that Xorg-server is three years old and here I show you what that means to me.
      No desktop effects for FreeBSD and poor picture drawing (VESA):

      FreeBSD Xorg.log.0:

      Code:
      X.Org X Server 1.7.7
      Release Date: 2010-05-04
      X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
      Build Operating System: FreeBSD 10.0-BETA1 amd64 
      
      (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810,
      	i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G,
      	E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, IGD_GM, IGD_G, 965G, G35,
      	965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33,
      	Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset,
      	Intel Integrated Graphics Device, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41
      
      (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa
      
      (II) UnloadModule: "intel"
      (II) Unloading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so
      Debian Jessie Xorg.log.0:
      Code:
      X.Org X Server 1.14.3
      Release Date: 2013-09-12
      [  2081.682] Build Operating System: Linux 3.10-2-amd64 x86_64 Debian
      
      [  2081.685] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Integrated Graphics Chipsets:
      	i810, i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G,
      	915G, E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM,
      	Pineview G, 965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33,
      	GM45, 4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43, HD Graphics,
      	HD Graphics 2000, HD Graphics 3000, HD Graphics 2500,
      	HD Graphics 4000, HD Graphics P4000, HD Graphics 4600,
      	HD Graphics 5000, HD Graphics P4600/P4700, Iris(TM) Graphics 5100,
      	HD Graphics 4400, HD Graphics 4200, Iris(TM) Pro Graphics 5200

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      • #63
        Originally posted by wilbert-vb View Post
        Here is a change that is very significant for me, recently I upgraded my desktops to Intel chipsets and graphics because I got frustrated with Nouveau/nVidia.
        Intel is known for best documented support for open source.

        I have spent the last two days trying to get FreeBSD 9.1 and 10 beta running on my hardware and I found out that my Ivybridge Intel Graphics is not supported.
        The processor is an Intel g2020 with builtin graphics. Compared to nVidia is a true pleasure to install Linux.

        I have used FreeBSD a decade ago (release 4.*) and I wanted to use it again.
        Hardware support was a problem then, and it still is!

        Today I found out that Xorg-server is three years old and here I show you what that means to me.
        No desktop effects for FreeBSD and poor picture drawing (VESA):

        FreeBSD Xorg.log.0:

        Code:
        X.Org X Server 1.7.7
        Release Date: 2010-05-04
        X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
        Build Operating System: FreeBSD 10.0-BETA1 amd64 
        
        (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810,
        	i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G,
        	E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, IGD_GM, IGD_G, 965G, G35,
        	965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33,
        	Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset,
        	Intel Integrated Graphics Device, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41
        
        (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa
        
        (II) UnloadModule: "intel"
        (II) Unloading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so
        Debian Jessie Xorg.log.0:
        Code:
        X.Org X Server 1.14.3
        Release Date: 2013-09-12
        [  2081.682] Build Operating System: Linux 3.10-2-amd64 x86_64 Debian
        
        [  2081.685] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Integrated Graphics Chipsets:
        	i810, i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G,
        	915G, E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM,
        	Pineview G, 965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33,
        	GM45, 4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43, HD Graphics,
        	HD Graphics 2000, HD Graphics 3000, HD Graphics 2500,
        	HD Graphics 4000, HD Graphics P4000, HD Graphics 4600,
        	HD Graphics 5000, HD Graphics P4600/P4700, Iris(TM) Graphics 5100,
        	HD Graphics 4400, HD Graphics 4200, Iris(TM) Pro Graphics 5200
        You have disobeyed the instructions on using KMS graphics with FreeBSD.

        Per the FreeBSD Wiki instructions, you need to set WITH_NEW_XORG and WITH_KMS to TRUE in /etc/make.conf.
        Following this you can install the X.Org port and get your graphics working.

        It is an expectation, and a very reasonable one, that FreeBSD users should know how to use Google to solve their problems, before complaining.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Sydney View Post
          Off course, FreeBSD still has too very very interesting tools linux doesn't has, DTrace, CARP & pfsync, etc..
          https://github.com/dtrace4linux/linux ...Dtrace for linux has been available for some time.
          Last edited by ninez; 11-03-2013, 09:02 AM.

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