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  • #46
    Originally posted by kraftman View Post
    I meant they will listen to you when you buy their support.
    I have yet to see a multimedia/gamer/desktop user buying $8000 enterprise support :-P

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    • #47
      Originally posted by siride View Post
      This last paragraph is kind of ridiculous. Yes, ancient versions of Windows don't work well with modern devices. The same is true of Linux. Try installing Linux from 2001 on a modern laptop and see how well that works.
      You kind of slow pal? I'm not saying that modern devices work great on ancient linux. I'm saying that modern devices DON'T work on ancient wondoze, and that PARTIAL UPGRADE of ancient linux to more modern linux is FAR MORE POSSIBLE than similar procedure on wondoze (where it is totally IMpossible).

      Secondly, I've found that most of my software *does* work just fine on Windows 7, even 64 bit.
      At what point did ONE USER'S case apply to everyone? You wouldn't believe just how ENORMOUS a problem it was when XP got canned by MS.

      That's not really true for Linux. We never notice because we always just install software from the repos. You can't take binaries, or installers from 2001 and have them work on modern Linux. It's DOA.
      You're WAY off base here. Old binaries work perfectly well on new Linux. Yes, even old stuff from 2001. Most of the problems you might experience with running old binaries is that they link against old libraries. A very neat thing about Linux is that the old libraries, should you choose to install them, can actually COEXIST with the new libraries -- at least in most cases. In other cases, you just throw in the old libraries directly with the old binaries, or even do a chroot into an environment populated by the old libraries, rather than installing them on the system. Either way, Linux has way better backwards compatibilty than Windows. Sometimes non-trivial, but at least always POSSIBLE.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by RealNC View Post
        I have yet to see a multimedia/gamer/desktop user buying $8000 enterprise support :-P
        It's hard to believe, but some hardcore gamers are willing to pay even $10k:

        http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/wasteland-2

        Ubuntu support is much cheaper. :-P

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        • #49
          Originally posted by kernelOfTruth View Post
          anyone who had windows 8 installed tried to copy over around 10+ GB of data from one partition to another (or different harddrive) ?

          when doing this with windows 7 all multi-tasking comes to a grinding halt

          it may have been firefox' issue but I doubt that, would be interesting if they improved the i/o scheduler, too or again only some minor changes here and there and lots of publicity

          at least next time I'll try it with chrome but I doubt that this would make a difference
          The problem is something specific to your hardware or how you are copying files. On my Windows 7 machine I have used Explorer to make copies of multiple gigabytes between my drives (SSD to Velociraptor, Raptor to SSD, also SSD and Raptor to and from eSATA backup drives) and the rest of the system continues to run without much of a slowdown. Web browsing has a little more page load delay and game levels take a bit longer to load. But nothing comes to a grinding halt.

          Now, admittedly, I am running a SSD as my boot, OS, and applications drive. This may be making a difference. If you're running a Western Digital Green or something else like that, or really, any laptop drive, then well...

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          • #50
            Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
            You should have kept this review till they shipped so that Microsoft doesn't have time to work over Metro after negative aura.

            It's understandable that drivers work better on Microsoft as vendors with old mindsets are jumping hurdles for them, where on Linux coders have to beg for support from these same vendors. Anyway, those vendors that don't come to Linux will be shunned and lose out in long run.

            Understanding Metro is to see Microsoft's desperation to cut into the mobile market, which they currently are crippled in, therefore they are forcing users to experience their mobile systems in hope of adoption. I can't see them succeeding. Microsoft is simply on the nose and people are leaving them in droves.
            People won't leave them in droves. "Daddy I need a new laptop" "Here you go kid/partner" is basically how it'll go. They'll be stuck with win8 and that'll be that. Some vendors might offer 7 after a while on the same hardware, much like XP was offered after the vista debacle. People will remain with MicroSoft, because that's what you get when you buy a computer. Granted, a handfull will get a mac and a few will try this 'ubuntu' thing. If we're really lucky though, some of those will stick to ubuntu. ;D

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            • #51
              Originally posted by siride View Post
              That's not really true for Linux. We never notice because we always just install software from the repos. You can't take binaries, or installers from 2001 and have them work on modern Linux. It's DOA.
              I believe the oldest installer and binaries I have gotten working were from 1998, maybe even 1996. It does vary on a case by case basis, but that is true on any platform.

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              • #52
                Windows 8 is the operating system that will finally detach users from the "classic windows ui". This means people will start to accept changes and their mind will get open enough to start looking at other operating systems different from classic windows 95 style.
                Windows 8 is the OS that will bring more users to Linux and Mac, not because Windows 8 is not good, simply because it will force the user to become open-minded and accept changes. When a user accepts something different from what he knows, there are high chances he will become curious to try plenty of other things.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                  I also don't like how the software-repository concept was attributed to apple. Linux distros used software repositories long before apple did. Apple was just the first to COMMERCIALIZE a software repository. In fact, I would say that the software repository infrastructure is far more advanced on Linux than it is on microapple, in that it allows the integration of MULTIPLE repositories and can cross check software dependencies and conflicts. Please... credit to those who really DESERVE it. Not to those who BUTCHER it.
                  No... Apple doesn't even get that much, Valve was the first to commercialize a software repository with Steam in 2003

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                  • #54
                    even if win8's UI sucks balls gnome and kde suck in many ways too. but if we concede that gnome3 is not stupid and watered-down and kde is not a glitzy clusterfuck there is still the issue that no linux distro can ever hope to match the reliability of windows. simply because MS has full time army of bug-testers, something Red Hat and Canonical cannot afford.

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                    • #55
                      At least Linux has a better community for reporting bugs.

                      Originally posted by asdx
                      Strange, all my Id Software games work just fine still, and the original binaries of those haven't been updated in a while.

                      Explain how this is possible then?
                      Last i tried i coudn't get sound on Q3, worked grate threw wine though.

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                      • #56
                        true that. does MS even have an official bug reporting tool?

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                        • #57
                          "reliability of windows"? Thats kinda like saying, "flight capability of horses"

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by garegin View Post
                            true that. does MS even have an official bug reporting tool?


                            Good luck getting a "solution" though.

                            Originally posted by asdx
                            I wouldn't even compare Windows with a horse, that's too insulting for horses, and horses are beautiful animals. Perhaps compare Windows with a pig or something.
                            Now, now, Windows 8 with Metro is beautiful. It's got pretty colours all over the place. I can easily see it being compared to a magical unicorn.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by AJenbo View Post
                              Last i tried i coudn't get sound on Q3, worked grate threw wine though.
                              Well, that is due to changes in the sound server, which I admit is a weak spot for old game compatibility. But it is not insurmountable - or a problem that is characteristic only to Linux.

                              It is also true that WINE has some compatibility advantages - I have heard of people who use WINE instead of native windows because it is better than playing there older games. Due to the fact it is by it's nature trying to emulate certain environments, that is also understandable.

                              In the case of Quake III though, you would probably be better off with a source port than running it through WINE though.

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                              • #60
                                I agree with the article. I tried the Windows 8 preview a few weeks ago and I think Metro UI is a FAIL.

                                I run Linux and prefer FOSS when possible, but Windows IS the world's dominant workstation OS, and it has been pretty good at it. So I try the preview, and I see the regular old Windows 95 based desktop is still there, but there is also Metro. It seems you are using one or the other, there is no smooth transition or integration between the two. And currently there are few Metro applications. Not sure I'd want any Metro apps anyways. Plain mono rectangles.. of different sizes... lots of them... huh. Well they are animated nicely. I'll say that.

                                The only thing I can figure is that it must be some strategy, as others have said, where by Microsoft REALLY wants to dominate in the smart phone tablet sector. So they are leveraging their greatest source of power, the PC OS, to try and make it happen in reverse. "see! your phone and your PC work the same!!"

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