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  • #16
    How did this turn into a FreeBSD vs. Linux thread?

    Congrats to the FreeBSD devs.

    Archlinux FTW!
    *runs away*

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    • #17
      Originally posted by some-guy View Post
      How did this turn into a FreeBSD vs. Linux thread?
      Because there are a lot of zealots here.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by tbyte View Post
        Who really cares that much about performance these days. Of course it does matter, but differences are so small almost nobody will notice. I have Linux and FreeBSD servers and I'm talking about 100+ and I will always perfer FreeBSD over linux. A LOT better structured system. lot easier to manage, everything is in it's place. Base system is separated from the software that user installs. And You actually know where to find config and files (libs, data etc.) of the program You just installed. In linux it's a total mess. Every package have it's own mind where to put files, every distro have it's own structure. 10+ sites with packages and no single repository You spend sometimes hours to find where exactly that package that You need is and how to import the N-th package site You happen to find that package on. Compared to freebsd ports and package systems which contains 20 000+ programs and You find & install what You need in matter of seconds. Not to mention tuning every port to You exact requirement and not installing 100+ Xorg (or whatever) packages just to have some sound manipulation library.
        IMO, linux is easier to work with if You don't need to much personalization (without breaking 'distros way' of doing things) and You stick with what's provided. FreeBSD in the other hand robust and easier to manipulate system and You can do It without breaking the way it's originaly ment to work and be upgraded. It feels like a glove or even extension of your own hand opposed to linux which feels like a wrench - it works, but not much more ...
        What a bull Gentoo is Freebsd killer. Robust? Even Ubuntu kick its ass and not only in Phoronix benchmarks and Freebsd is not more solid then Debian.
        Last edited by kraftman; 11-25-2009, 04:11 AM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by tbyte View Post
          bla blah blah and more blah...
          Not to mention tuning every port to You exact requirement and not installing 100+ Xorg (or whatever) packages just to have some sound manipulation library.
          IMO, linux is easier to work with if You don't need to much personalization (without breaking 'distros way' of doing things) and You stick with what's provided. FreeBSD in the other hand robust and easier to manipulate system and You can do It without breaking the way it's originaly ment to work and be upgraded. It feels like a glove or even extension of your own hand opposed to linux which feels like a wrench - it works, but not much more ...
          Hmmm the same as Gentoo does but with Gentoo you get and speed as well in combination with extreme personalization and broader hardware support as well.
          You know what's your fault? You compare FreeBSD with every Linux distro. That's unfair because the distros have differnet goals and ways. The matter is just one. With Linux you can have whatever FreeBSD has to offer plus bette performance, wider hardware detection and easy of use because Linux, not Ubuntu or OpenSUSE or Fedora etc etc, but Linux in general is as configurable as you want it to be.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Apopas View Post
            Hmmm the same as Gentoo does but with Gentoo you get and speed as well in combination with extreme personalization and broader hardware support as well.
            You know what's your fault? You compare FreeBSD with every Linux distro. That's unfair because the distros have differnet goals and ways. The matter is just one. With Linux you can have whatever FreeBSD has to offer plus bette performance, wider hardware detection and easy of use because Linux, not Ubuntu or OpenSUSE or Fedora etc etc, but Linux in general is as configurable as you want it to be.

            Ah, cool! How do I configure ZFS in Ubuntu to boot from a raidz pool?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by jeckyll View Post
              Ah, cool! How do I configure ZFS in Ubuntu to boot from a raidz pool?
              Nobody says *BSD or Solaris doesn't have some advantages over Linux.

              The point is, you mentioned a fact, not some more or less imaginary 'advantages'.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by jeckyll View Post
                Ah, cool! How do I configure ZFS in Ubuntu to boot from a raidz pool?
                http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Root_...Crypt_and_RAID

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                • #23
                  How much bullshit here?

                  The only debate could be if a microkernel (like minix) is better than a monolithic kernel. Since freebsd is monolithic, there is nothing to debate. And if you really want to debate a linux vs freebsd on a general configuration, just please shut up because we all know Linux will kick its ass on 99% of things, from drivers to personal configuration.
                  And discussing about distros is bullshit, it has got nothing to do with who is better between a linux kernel and a freebsd one. Too much fanboyism here.

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                  • #24
                    Well you can install debian with freebsd kernel too *g*

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                      Nobody says *BSD or Solaris doesn't have some advantages over Linux.

                      The point is, you mentioned a fact, not some more or less imaginary 'advantages'.
                      To be fair the guy he was responding to did say
                      With Linux you can have whatever FreeBSD has to offer plus bette performance
                      Which just isn't true. You can't have ZFS under Linux, it doesn't support the file system due to licensing reasons. And no there isn't a comparable file system for Linux just yet.

                      FreeBSD has it's advantages over Linux, and vice versa. If people would be a bit more pragmatic about it they'd use the right tool for the right job.

                      It's the same junk you get over all things: too many zealots not enough pragmatists.


                      Back to the original article: Over 24 hours later after Phoronix announced it as released and still no official word yet. Jumping the gun a little early?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Garp View Post

                        FreeBSD has it's advantages over Linux, and vice versa.
                        Then to be fair, you must also say that Linux has a lot more advantages than FreeBSD. And about ZFS and its license, you shouldn't even mention it, otherwise I could start a debate on Microsoft stuff that beats Linux due to the lack of "x" software/driver or whatever under an OS !Windows.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by bulletxt View Post
                          Then to be fair, you must also say that Linux has a lot more advantages than FreeBSD.
                          Umm.. I did. "and vice versa" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_versa

                          The each have their purposes and strengths. It's tough to say one has more advantages than the other because it really depends on what you're trying to use it for.

                          And about ZFS and its license, you shouldn't even mention it, otherwise I could start a debate on Microsoft stuff that beats Linux due to the lack of "x" software/driver or whatever under an OS !Windows.
                          And that would be just more zealotry to most people.

                          Which OS should I use should always be followed by the question "What do you want to do?"

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