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    Is there any chance Michael or any of the moderators (are there any?) could take a more proactive approach to weeding out the trolls and tiresome flamewars? There's really not much reason to even read the comments anymore. I find myself lurking Google+ or developer blogs if I'm wanting to learn more about something since they rarely come by here.

    Sometimes developers would make a comment that was interesting enough to be posted on the frontpage of Phoronix. That *rarely* happens anymore. Comments now are mostly empty or 10+ pages of flamefest.

    I'm not sure exactly what the solution is, simply swinging the banhammer at anyone that prefers software $x over $y probably is a bit too heavy handed. But something needs to be done before the conversation here becomes worse than Slashdot.

    And in case anyone wants to bring up the "ignore" feature, that doesn't work if someone derails an entire thread. Ignoring also doesn't fix the problem of having a dozen crappy people drive away all the developers that might otherwise post here.

  • #2
    Phoronix needs a karma system for the forum, that way less productive comments would be hidden and more important ones would be highlighted.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by alazar View Post
      Phoronix needs a karma system for the forum, that way less productive comments would be hidden and more important ones would be highlighted.
      You know that people wouldn't use it to reward productive comments, but as another way to attack people because their opinion doesn't match theirs.....

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      • #4
        Not a karma system please

        I agree with dh04000. With a karma system there isn't much of a discussion anyway. It's just a bunch of comments that are hidden and only a handful of meme posts and people parroting popular opinion that gets any visibility. Aside from the news stories, the predominately informative discussions was a major reason I enjoy this site.

        I knew a forum that had a pretty heavy handed approach to dealing with trolls or dumb people. Moderators would ban a person the first time they trolled. People that responded to the troll would also receive a shorter ban. Both the original troll post and every response would then be removed from the thread and put in a special "garbage" thread that people are free to browse if they ever want a brain hemorrhage.

        They were pretty damn heavy handed with this approach. They basically restricted all discussion to only being between the experts. If a more lenient threshold for trolls and flamewars were used it could work well. The main thing is that it stops a discussion from getting derailed. It also avoids the problem of censorship because people can still read every idiotic statement by checking out the "garbage" thread.

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        • #5
          Another echo for no karma. It's a horrible system that only encourages groupthink and hides posts the majority disagree with, no matter if they are completely civil and well argumented. Do not turn this place into reddit or slashdot.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kde185 View Post
            I agree with dh04000. With a karma system there isn't much of a discussion anyway. It's just a bunch of comments that are hidden and only a handful of meme posts and people parroting popular opinion that gets any visibility. Aside from the news stories, the predominately informative discussions was a major reason I enjoy this site.

            I knew a forum that had a pretty heavy handed approach to dealing with trolls or dumb people. Moderators would ban a person the first time they trolled. People that responded to the troll would also receive a shorter ban. Both the original troll post and every response would then be removed from the thread and put in a special "garbage" thread that people are free to browse if they ever want a brain hemorrhage.

            They were pretty damn heavy handed with this approach. They basically restricted all discussion to only being between the experts. If a more lenient threshold for trolls and flamewars were used it could work well. The main thing is that it stops a discussion from getting derailed. It also avoids the problem of censorship because people can still read every idiotic statement by checking out the "garbage" thread.
            I feel the heavy moderation with clean and well defined rules and a garbage pile could work well. The only thing is, that type of system is easily abused by moderators, and thus becomes a system where, you agree with the moderators or your posts get trashed. The most important part would be making moderators follow the rules, not emotion, and then I believe it could work.

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            • #7
              Humans will always be corrupted by power. Always. See Stanford Prison Experiment.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
                You know that people wouldn't use it to reward productive comments, but as another way to attack people because their opinion doesn't match theirs.....
                This is how forum karma always ends up working. Vote down those whom you disagree with (no matter how valid or honest they may be).

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                • #9
                  Perfect example

                  So here's a perfect example of what I'm talking about:

                  http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...Working-System

                  At what point are the moderators going to do something about this? There's even some guy in there bragging about being able to derail threads.

                  There might be some genuine questions in that thread but god knows they won't get answered. Why would anyone who actually knows anything wade into what is clearly a cesspool of stupid?

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                  • #10
                    I think the problem can be problem can be linked directly to these people:

                    -zester
                    -BeardedGNUFreak
                    -Brad0
                    -Sergio
                    -Vim_User
                    -intellivision

                    With zester and BreadedGNUFreak being the hot shot of the day.

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                    • #11
                      Just wait until systemd becomes sentient and start cleaning the forums itself (or herself? who knows)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by endman View Post
                        I think the problem can be problem can be linked directly to these people:

                        -zester
                        -BeardedGNUFreak
                        -Brad0
                        -Sergio
                        -Vim_User
                        -intellivision

                        With zester and BreadedGNUFreak being the hot shot of the day.
                        Don't forget LinuxGamer, Dee, and Bo$$.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
                          Don't forget LinuxGamer, Dee, and Bo$$.
                          And when we are at it, endman and his countless alter egos (BSDSucksDick, kraftman, CthuIhux (not Cthulhux) and the like) also belong on the list.
                          But anyways, I had already a conversation with one of the mods about banning the trolls and he said that they were working on a solution. But this was a few months ago and still nothing happened.

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                          • #14
                            Well I suppose the easiest thing would be to clean up comments that are off topic. BSD gets something (anything) and it turns into BSD bashing. The Mir/Wayland debate.. not sure I should use that word.. also seem to veer off topic into canonical this or that.

                            So if there was a mod that could temp ban people for posting off topic flame bait that would go a long way IMO.

                            I would also like to see people citing things instead of asspulling every "truth"... that maybe too much to ask for..

                            Oh and I am against the karma system giving the virtually nonexistent maturity on the Internet period... let alone around these parts.

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                            • #15
                              This is funny. There are people who are really off-scale, like BO$$, because they always choose random position with sole goal of trolling.
                              Then, there are people who clearly have zero relation to anything Linux (topic of this project) because they are here to ignite flamewars, tossing occasional windows/anti-gpl superiority or randomly picking accusations/deficiencies of Linux for the sole goal of flaming, derailing, hate-posting - like Sonadow, zester(to major degree).

                              Finally, there are people who have own position, that may not always have sound position, but their position is justified and never changes, that is kraftman, elanthis, dee and co. While they do ignite flamewars and may have very contrast tastes, it happens only when people above provoke them and they retreat if the matter is settled or cleared, and they do post insightful comments or facts. They nearly always get labeled as trolls by those who have been trashing/provoking the thread along with them - matter of time. I don't hold them for trolls.

                              I guess there is no actual problem here, because development is always bound to politics and politics can't be evaded. Adding prohibition of politics/policy as a rule, will really cut expression count back to bug, not bug - which is usually taking place inside devlists anyway. Maybe limit politics, flame wars, and theories to general (aka anything) forum?

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