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  • #16
    What forum rule has Honton broken?

    There are much more abusive users here, and I too find he is correct in the CLA risks. How is it trolling if it's his real opinion?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by curaga View Post
      What forum rule has Honton broken?

      There are much more abusive users here, and I too find he is correct in the CLA risks. How is it trolling if it's his real opinion?
      Mostly because his post are often not relevant to the discussion. If he wants to give his opinion, he can have a blog. Forums are here to discuss either the actual piece of news, or to discuss with other users, and he usually does neither.

      I would not have him banned for that though (or in that case not just him).

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      • #18
        Originally posted by curaga View Post
        What forum rule has Honton broken?

        There are much more abusive users here, and I too find he is correct in the CLA risks. How is it trolling if it's his real opinion?
        The trolling lies in the repetition over and over again WITHOUT adding more or new information. He also NEVER answers Questions he does not like / can not answer in his favor. This sort of ignorance crushes the whole point of discussing with him. People that are just obviously abusive are easy to report via the forum-report-button - but with Honton this is impossible because he is NOT obviously abusive.

        But he is also not really discussing things - what he does is a monologue most of the time. And the level of ignoring relevant questions like for sources etc. is abusive in an indirect way. I really feel offended by this behaviour.

        Only dialogues should be allowed in a forum - not monologues.

        If there are users that are worse, name them please. I cannot find anyone that is so persistently repeating the same stuff over and over again in such a arrogant way, never accepting any argument or defeat. He may be right in some points, but he is also wrong very often. But he is incapable of accepting good arguments.

        cheers, tomme

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        • #19
          Originally posted by tomtomme View Post
          If there are users that are worse, name them please. I cannot find anyone that is so persistently repeating the same stuff over and over again in such a arrogant way, never accepting any argument or defeat. He may be right in some points, but he is also wrong very often. But he is incapable of accepting good arguments.
          They'd be the only people on my ignore list, pal666 and yogi_berra. Abusive in a quite different way though.

          The BSD ANALS guy used to be bad, but he's since stepped it up from "lol bsd" to long essays in good English.

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          • #20
            If someone is going to be band it should be http://www.phoronix.com/forums/membe...68972-Pallidus

            I'm sick of moderating his posts its seems about every second one is reported for the filth he posts

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            • #21
              Originally posted by curaga View Post
              What forum rule has Honton broken?
              No thread jacking will be permitted.

              A perfect example is today's news blurb about systemd changing their release model to add a stable branch. And what's the first reply in the discussion? Surprise! It's Honton talking about CLA, even though the article is about systemd, which doesn't have one. That's a thinly-veiled way and extremely lame way to try to get people arguing about systemd vs. upstart (as if that hasn't already been discussed to death).

              How is it trolling if it's his real opinion?
              His "opinion" is repeated excessively to the point of absurdity. We all know he thinks KDE is dead and Qt is evil, but he will post flamebait in any vaguely-related thread. All he needs to do is repeatedly post an image of a Gnome foot going up Konqi's rear and he will be just as bad as the BSD troll...

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              • #22
                Heh, if that rule were strictly enforced, you'd ban 98% of phoronix users.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by curaga View Post
                  Heh, if that rule were strictly enforced, you'd ban 98% of phoronix users.
                  Tell me why this is a bad thing?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by curaga View Post
                    Heh, if that rule were strictly enforced, you'd ban 98% of phoronix users.
                    Understood. With the exception of spam/pr0n, the forum rules aren't strictly enforced, and that's a good thing for the most part. Unfortunately, some people are very good at using the leeway to create chaos for their personal lulz...

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                    • #25
                      how about making this into a poll

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                      • #26
                        Yeah, and the senior members can vote in a similar manner as Debian!

                        I'm completely serious by the way; I want to see another phoenix wright version of something.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by gens View Post
                          how about making this into a poll
                          I already went through that experiment with Qaridarium a few years back... About half the people are supportive and of the other half, most acknowledge the problematic behavior, but feel a ban is against free speech.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by DanL View Post
                            I already went through that experiment with Qaridarium a few years back... About half the people are supportive and of the other half, most acknowledge the problematic behavior, but feel a ban is against free speech.
                            ty, i couldn't remember hes name
                            Q was at least funny at times

                            Honton is just a troll, simple as that

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                            • #29
                              Q is still around (brosis), but has levelled off the extremes that caused the problems and I give him/her major credit for that.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by gens View Post
                                ty, i couldn't remember hes name
                                Q was at least funny at times

                                Honton is just a troll, simple as that
                                I think this issue as a whole runs a little deeper than that. Lets assume that we've all agreed that he's a troll and the only reason why he's posting is to derail or bait people. The fact still stands that he hasn't (from what I've seen) been derogatory or vulgar, and as others have pointed out, there are far worse examples who need a looking at. Is that still enough to have him banned?

                                I do like the occasional good troll though, the ones that are true and funny even though they're saying doesn't even apply in the current situation that everyone else is discussing. But I like it the same way I like music where the singing isn't 100% pitch perfect.

                                That being said, assume that everyone agrees to ban him. Then what prevents the next one, and the next from doing the same? Will we have to go through this all over again? How would we decide again.

                                If people are actually taking this all seriously, then we should seriously consider a solution that will be more effective long-term. I feel that personal attacks rate higher on the should-be-banned scale than misinformation or bad personal opinion. Good treatment of each other tends to weed out bad information as well (people are less likely to listen to someone who is just being mean, and also more likely to be mean back), and we already have quite a few people here on the forums who do know what's going on 95% of the time.

                                For this particular case, I would suggest (again) a FYI-you-don't-have-the-only-opinion-and-you-don't-have-to-spread-it-around-needlessly. Take a look at politics, those guys have perfected the art of holding punches. They take a look at what someone's doing, wait for mistake, and then hurl a flurry of attacks, usually convincing a lot of people; you have to make sure the punchline is after the joke.

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