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  • #91
    Originally posted by RavFX View Post
    Eact time I go phoronix with my droid, I get a full screen system looking page telling that my browser memory is full and I need to download an app to clean. No way to exit this intrusive aD except pressing back and go phoronix a second time.

    Thanks to that, I just found that adblockplus support the android browser
    Those types of ad redirects are very common with malware. As in, your phone might have an app with malicious code embedded.

    I'm saying this because I have never once gotten one of those page redirects.

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    • #92
      Great. Now there's a pop-up with close advertisement now.

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      • #93
        Just got an overlay-type popup on http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTYzNTc
        It's a doubleclick ad in a div id="welcome_screen"

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Fry-kun View Post
          Just got an overlay-type popup on http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTYzNTc
          It's a doubleclick ad in a div id="welcome_screen"
          That one is expected and will appear just once an hour for certain geographies. It's a welcome screen ad that was specially crafted for Phoronix as relevant, received my permission, and is doing a whole lot to help out the site.
          Michael Larabel
          http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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          • #95
            Does clicking on the "Amazon" link to get to any Amazon page benefit Phoronix?

            From time to time I have a need to go to some site on Amazon's server. Does making a habit of getting there by clicking the Amazon hyperlink on the Phoronix front page as a starting point send any funds to Michael?

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Luke View Post
              From time to time I have a need to go to some site on Amazon's server. Does making a habit of getting there by clicking the Amazon hyperlink on the Phoronix front page as a starting point send any funds to Michael?
              Yes, a percentage of sales after clicking that Phoronix Amazon link helps out the site.
              Michael Larabel
              http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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              • #97
                Insane number of ads

                The number of ads makes mobile browsing horrible. Your website used to be ok, not anymore. The lower screen ads are the most annoying. They simply don't keep up with screen scrolling on my older phone. Is this all necessary?

                4 ads:



                Ahhh, another ad underneath, thats 5 ads.



                This is why I run adblock on my desktop. This is why my next phone will run some Android version, with adblock.....

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Tgui View Post
                  The number of ads makes mobile browsing horrible. Your website used to be ok, not anymore. The lower screen ads are the most annoying. They simply don't keep up with screen scrolling on my older phone. Is this all necessary?

                  This is why I run adblock on my desktop. Tis is why my next phone will run some Android version, with adblock.....
                  The overlay ads shouldn't be layering up like that, but aside from that, yes, that number of ads is necessary to compensate because of other people using AdBlock...
                  Michael Larabel
                  http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Michael View Post
                    The overlay ads shouldn't be layering up like that, but aside from that, yes, that number of ads is necessary to compensate because of other people using AdBlock...
                    Invasive ads are the primary reason why I keep switching back to adblock. Every so often I turn it off and run the site with ads for a while -- but then something gets me really annoyed and I switch it back on.
                    This time it was the overlay ad popping up every hour (which means every article if I open one every few hours).
                    You have to remember that it's not the case that everyone is either completely tolerant of all ads or not tolerant at all; there are lots of gradations inbetween. If you want to get more eyeballs for the ads, you have to give users a choice to tune it up or down. You've already done it by removing Kontera inline ads from logged in users. What if you improve on that idea? Give logged in user a choice to turn off the more annoying ads, but encourage leaving more ads enabled by some small incentive. Maybe buy a beer once a month for the user who had most ads viewed :P

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                    • Originally posted by Fry-kun View Post
                      You have to remember that it's not the case that everyone is either completely tolerant of all ads or not tolerant at all; there are lots of gradations inbetween. If you want to get more eyeballs for the ads, you have to give users a choice to tune it up or down. You've already done it by removing Kontera inline ads from logged in users. What if you improve on that idea? Give logged in user a choice to turn off the more annoying ads, but encourage leaving more ads enabled by some small incentive. Maybe buy a beer once a month for the user who had most ads viewed :P
                      It can't be easily tracked what individual user has the most ad views in a given month, even the IP information I don't have access to for ad impressions. In terms of the ad that appears hourly, that actually yields a bulk of the ad income for Phoronix. That once-per-hour ad is literally providing 20x the revenue of any other standard ad unit on the site. On days such an ad campaign is running, you see more, properly-written, thorough content on the site, etc than when those campaigns are not running. (edit: And it's also directly from those extra funds from that campaign where I make purchases for new graphics cards when needed and other Linux review hardware.)
                      Last edited by Michael; 03-24-2014, 05:48 PM.
                      Michael Larabel
                      http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                      • Originally posted by Michael View Post
                        The overlay ads shouldn't be layering up like that, but aside from that, yes, that number of ads is necessary to compensate because of other people using AdBlock...
                        Just block the content for those using adblock (you just need to check the content or the height of the divs containing the ads), or at least put some message so they are aware the site needs ads. Remember that sometimes adblock users don't know the website has ads.

                        By the way, the ad placement is horrible, the only one that woks ok with the design is the one in the "Support Phoronix" box. Sometimes less ads and a high quality website gives better results than too many ads and a poor website layout.

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                        • Originally posted by Michael View Post
                          It can't be easily tracked what individual user has the most ad views in a given month, even the IP information I don't have access to for ad impressions.
                          Ad tracking is a standard feature in the industry (display ads usually let you specify a pingback URL so you know immediately when an ad was viewed). Anyway, that was just an idea, maybe not THE comprehensive way to do this.
                          Another idea: enable a premium feature (e.g. 1-page view) for users who have ads tuned to maximum.


                          Originally posted by Michael View Post
                          In terms of the ad that appears hourly, that actually yields a bulk of the ad income for Phoronix. That once-per-hour ad is literally providing 20x the revenue of any other standard ad unit on the site. On days such an ad campaign is running, you see more, properly-written, thorough content on the site, etc than when those campaigns are not running. (edit: And it's also directly from those extra funds from that campaign where I make purchases for new graphics cards when needed and other Linux review hardware.)
                          And a rectal probe could provide you with 10000x the revenue.. but most users probably won't agree to it no matter how much you beg them. What I'm saying is that by turning up ad aggressiveness, you lose some of ad-readership unnecessarily.

                          So say you now get $0.20 per day per user with that once-an-hour ad. That means I used to happily browse the site without adblock before that -- and you were getting $0.01 per day for a few moments of my attention. But now you're not getting that $0.01...
                          One (admittedly convoluted) way of thinking about it is asking for donations but only accepting $20 bills. Why not accept $1 bills, too?

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                          • Originally posted by Michael View Post
                            The overlay ads shouldn't be layering up like that, but aside from that, yes, that number of ads is necessary to compensate because of other people using AdBlock...
                            BTW, I found that there were 7 ads in total. I forgot the stupid touch flip up corner ads.

                            People use adblock becaue ads take up so much bandwidth, CPU and screen real estate. Your solution is to inundate people who don't use adblock with extra ads to make up the difference in lost revenue?

                            Soooo you're pushing even more people to use adblock? Next are you going to detect adblock and not serve up content? Thats just insanity! If you're driving people away from your website you're doing it wrong. Generate revenue elsewhere. Make companies pay to use PTS, as thats your primary product. I think you need to reevaluate a few things here.

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                            • Beware the transit-style death spiral

                              Originally posted by Tgui View Post
                              BTW, I found that there were 7 ads in total. I forgot the stupid touch flip up corner ads.

                              People use adblock becaue ads take up so much bandwidth, CPU and screen real estate. Your solution is to inundate people who don't use adblock with extra ads to make up the difference in lost revenue?

                              Soooo you're pushing even more people to use adblock? Next are you going to detect adblock and not serve up content? Thats just insanity! If you're driving people away from your website you're doing it wrong. Generate revenue elsewhere. Make companies pay to use PTS, as thats your primary product. I think you need to reevaluate a few things here.
                              I've seen this kind of thinking in DC's public transit systems: Reliablity issues, occasional bag searches, and never-ending talk of cutting service cause people to bail out and buy cars or bikes. Fares go up to counter revenue losses caused by declining ridership, so MORE people bail out. The higher the fares, the less the revenue, the bigger the deficit, the larger the next fare hike. This continues until the whole system augers into the economic ground. Many transit systems have suffered this fate. I'd hate to see it happen to Metro-or to Phoronix.

                              Also, do not forget what happened when Arstechnica tried to block content to adblocking viewers: They had to back off under a storm of online criticism, any anyone really needed to read a story could get it from Google's cache. Any kind of adwall or paywall will simply force many viewers to treat the site as "server down" and take their own benchmarks, tests, and expertise elsewhere. People on mobile connections don't have the bandwidth for ads, some have Aspergers and can become agitated by some ads, those without jobs can't afford to subscribe to anyone's content anywhere.

                              Barring porn ( a guaranteed and fast revenue producer from what I hear), here's what I would suggest instead. Michael, if people want benchmarks on hardware you do not already own, tell them to put up or shut up. They can run the benchmarks themselves with the test suite, send money for the parts, or ship the damned parts in for testing. Do not spend a penny on running the site beyond what people contribute or remaining advertisers/adviewers can fund. Treat it as a clearinghouse for information, but expend no funds beyond keeping the server running unless those funds come in FIRST. I've actually been in a similar position from the opposite angle, when certain viewers of my political videos had issues with the server I host them on, not having the bandwidth to stream them from the main website.

                              I once caught a lot of heat over sexy ads running on Liveleak, where my videos are hosted. Although many from backgrounds like mine (I used to be a male stripper) may consider those ads to be "bonus content," some of the folks who have had bad experiences with sex or the sex industry were very offended. I simply replied that there were no ads from me at all, and if they had issues with the server to set a video streaming server up with their own resources, as I had none. I reminded them that Youtube scans for backing music and tracks users aggresively so they are out, and Vimeo refuses to make accounts for me as they do not like my secured machines. I also reminded them that with no job or income I could forget paid hosting or "ad-free" wordpress upgrades unless they wanted to put up the money themselves. Nobody ever did set up such a dedicated server, but the complaints ended fast.

                              Somehow I doubt that Phoronix has a lot of readers who find erotica offensive, though it could force some with jobs not to use the site from work. That could be solved by making any porn ads deliberately easy to block, perhaps showing them only in articles with a "work safe" filter selectable from the front page. You will have plenty of viewers who are not going to be interested in blocking those.

                              One more thing you could do: for those who block ads loading with the site (or all sites) but don't want to cut you off, each area you insert an ad could contain a traditional hyperlink to the web page directed to by that same ad, inserted directly into the page content on the same server so it is never blocked. It would normally be covered by the ad but exposed if the ad content is not loaded. People can then click directly on these links to support your site, but it will be up to you to ensure that none of these links goes to a malicious or hacked webpage. Few web sites could do something like this, but Phoronix probably could.

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                              • Originally posted by Luke View Post
                                I've seen this kind of thinking in DC's public transit systems: Reliablity issues, occasional bag searches, and never-ending talk of cutting service cause people to bail out and buy cars or bikes. Fares go up to counter revenue losses caused by declining ridership, so MORE people bail out. The higher the fares, the less the revenue, the bigger the deficit, the larger the next fare hike. This continues until the whole system augers into the economic ground. Many transit systems have suffered this fate. I'd hate to see it happen to Metro-or to Phoronix.

                                Also, do not forget what happened when Arstechnica tried to block content to adblocking viewers: They had to back off under a storm of online criticism, any anyone really needed to read a story could get it from Google's cache. Any kind of adwall or paywall will simply force many viewers to treat the site as "server down" and take their own benchmarks, tests, and expertise elsewhere. People on mobile connections don't have the bandwidth for ads, some have Aspergers and can become agitated by some ads, those without jobs can't afford to subscribe to anyone's content anywhere.

                                Barring porn ( a guaranteed and fast revenue producer from what I hear), here's what I would suggest instead. Michael, if people want benchmarks on hardware you do not already own, tell them to put up or shut up. They can run the benchmarks themselves with the test suite, send money for the parts, or ship the damned parts in for testing. Do not spend a penny on running the site beyond what people contribute or remaining advertisers/adviewers can fund. Treat it as a clearinghouse for information, but expend no funds beyond keeping the server running unless those funds come in FIRST. I've actually been in a similar position from the opposite angle, when certain viewers of my political videos had issues with the server I host them on, not having the bandwidth to stream them from the main website.

                                I once caught a lot of heat over sexy ads running on Liveleak, where my videos are hosted. Although many from backgrounds like mine (I used to be a male stripper) may consider those ads to be "bonus content," some of the folks who have had bad experiences with sex or the sex industry were very offended. I simply replied that there were no ads from me at all, and if they had issues with the server to set a video streaming server up with their own resources, as I had none. I reminded them that Youtube scans for backing music and tracks users aggresively so they are out, and Vimeo refuses to make accounts for me as they do not like my secured machines. I also reminded them that with no job or income I could forget paid hosting or "ad-free" wordpress upgrades unless they wanted to put up the money themselves. Nobody ever did set up such a dedicated server, but the complaints ended fast.

                                Somehow I doubt that Phoronix has a lot of readers who find erotica offensive, though it could force some with jobs not to use the site from work. That could be solved by making any porn ads deliberately easy to block, perhaps showing them only in articles with a "work safe" filter selectable from the front page. You will have plenty of viewers who are not going to be interested in blocking those.

                                One more thing you could do: for those who block ads loading with the site (or all sites) but don't want to cut you off, each area you insert an ad could contain a traditional hyperlink to the web page directed to by that same ad, inserted directly into the page content on the same server so it is never blocked. It would normally be covered by the ad but exposed if the ad content is not loaded. People can then click directly on these links to support your site, but it will be up to you to ensure that none of these links goes to a malicious or hacked webpage. Few web sites could do something like this, but Phoronix probably could.

                                DC? I live in Northern VA and commute to DC on occasion to work with various clients. I hate the metro.

                                Stripper, I like the cut of your jib! In DC?

                                Back on topic.

                                One more thing you could do: for those who block ads loading with the site (or all sites) but don't want to cut you off, each area you insert an ad could contain a traditional hyperlink to the web page directed to by that same ad, inserted directly into the page content on the same server so it is never blocked. It would normally be covered by the ad but exposed if the ad content is not loaded. People can then click directly on these links to support your site, but it will be up to you to ensure that none of these links goes to a malicious or hacked webpage. Few web sites could do something like this, but Phoronix probably could.
                                I'd love this. If adblock detected then insert a simple link that goes directly to the product or even to the damned ad. I ultimately want to decide when I use my bandwidth to view an ad. I sure as shit won't be clicking on any ad if I'm already pissed off at the load time or other user experience maring event.

                                I appreciate the fact Michael needs $$ to continue on. I think we're coming to a head with the whole monetary model that drives most websites today. I haven't the answer, but throwing more of what pisses people off into their faces isn't the way to go.

                                I think Slashdot is a good example of ad balance FWIW.

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