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  • #91
    Originally posted by Linuxhippy View Post
    ban both. Quridarium nonetheless is very annoying.
    i call for ban "Linuxhippy" because his "nonetheless=?" is very annoying....

    ok i do not even unterstand the word "nonetheless" in this meaning.

    do you mean nonsense ?

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
      you didn't understand the clue you "Claimed" I'm a Troll but this is your personal opinion
      Of course it is my personal opinion? Whose opinion should I post if not mine. But that it is my opinion doesn't change the fact that I built this opinion with two simple facts in mind:
      1. The commonly accepted definition of the word troll in this context, which I already gave to you.
      2. The behavior you show in the posts I have read from you.
      This is how people (should) build their opinions, based on facts.

      the difference to my sentence to you is i proved for everyone with objective criteria that you ARE a Troll!
      Where is the objective criteria? Do you mean because you stated that in your opinion every one who claims that another person is a troll, regardless if this claim is based on facts every one can see, is a troll himself?

      And after the Fact that you are the Troll its logic the Troll do what a Troll musst do because of this you call me a "Troll"
      Since the only "fact" you are presenting is your opinion that I am a troll, besides the fact that i have not shown post in the kind of yours (insults and such) on this or any other forum, this claim is baseless.

      In the Trolls logic its always the same he always call others Trolls to get away with his trolling.
      You are obviously "forgetting" that this thread only exists because you are annoying the people here and that you even claim that it is a success when you get away with it.

      and your behavior show that you only try to attack me with the primary intent of provoking me and force me into an emotional response
      Again, this thread exists only because you, with the type of posts you have already made, have shown to the people what kind of person you are. I don't have to provoke any reaction, you have already shown your face.

      he is the only one who calls me a Troll only to insult me because of my definition of success in this "Ban-Qaridarium" Tropic.
      I have tried to discuss this definition with you. But you yourself delivered a definition that is exactly the definition of a troll. Oh, and again, remember that this topic only exists because of your way to deal with people.

      so he want me to make suicide and if not he try to force other people to ban me with the claim that i'm a troll.
      1. I am not the OP of this thread. You have annoyed other people enough that they want you banned, and there are some people here that signed the petition.
      2. The only one that can ban you is Micheal and I am in no position to force him to do that.
      3. You yourself have shown with your behavior and with your own definition of success that you are a troll, not my fault.

      your definition is a suicide in this tropic because the tropic is: "ban-Qaridarium" the highest success in this tropic is not to be banned.

      should i really be respectful for people who want me to be banned ?
      Have you even considered for a moment to think about why people want you to be banned, and this not for the first time? Is it because you are so a nice person and all others are simply wrong with their opinion about you? Or is it because you permanently are annoying and insulting people and nobody wants to be annoyed and insulted? The highest success in this topic would neither be if you are banned nor if you are not banned. The highest success in this topic would be if you think about your posting style, stop behaving like an asshole and, maybe, apologize for your behavior. But since I can't see this happen I doubt that you can reach this goal.

      and if someone do lie then i should shut up my mouth and don't give the truth a voice by calling him a liar?
      A liar is someone who intentionally claims things that are not true. The keyword here is intentionally. Not everyone who posts untrue things is a liar, it may also be simple misinformation or misunderstanding. You should only call people liar if you have evidences that they are doing this with intention. If you can't do that you should point out what you think is wrong and why you think that it is wrong. Politely, this is how people behave in society.

      and what kind of discussion with respect is this tropic "ban-Qaridarium" ? this tropic do hurt your rules more than all my stuff together!
      And was provoked by your behavior. Sometimes you can't be respectful, but not being respectful should be a last resort, not the rule. In your posts it seems to be the other way around.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
        Where is the objective criteria?
        i used 2 kind of sources for the objective criteria

        one of them:

        "The Contrarian Troll. A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose predominant opinions are contrary to their own. It is important to distinguish between dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but due to the manner in which he or she behaves:

        Contrarian Warning Sign Number One: The most important indicator of a poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry. Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.

        Contrarian Warning Sign Number Two: Constant references to the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule anyone who disagrees with you."

        Contrarian Warning Sign Number Three: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no ready answers.

        Contrarian Warning Sign Number Four: Accusing the accusers. When confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is the accusers who are trolls. Often the Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath his notice.

        Contrarian Warning Sign Number Five: Attempts to condescend. The Contrarian will seek refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics as beneath notice all the while continuing to respond to them.

        Contrarian Warning Sign Number Six: One distinctive mark of Contrarian Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned above. "

        and the other:

        "with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response-Wikipedia-source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%...#Concern_troll"


        this means you are a troll because you come in this tropic "ban-qaridarium" and you called me a troll only of my definition of success in this threat that of the people are not successful in this threat then i'm successful .

        and i'm not a Troll just because of this simple "fact" but you are a troll because you try to insult me with calling me a "Troll"

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        • #94
          Even without mildly beginning to wonder what drives all the brainless people who try to reason with Qaridarium to write such lengthy posts (I guess it's the same gene which makes people buy iEvil computers?), when he's obviously having the fun of his life here (otherwise he would have left long ago), I find this topic really amusing. Whenever I browse on Wikipedia and venture into the discussions I stare in awe at the utter brainlessness of practically everyone there who would rather discuss every last atom (or anything you consider the smallest unit) of the universe to bits than use some common sense -- but this tops it all.

          Again, thank you Phoronix for not banning anyone here.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
            Of course it is my personal opinion?
            no one care about your "personal opinions" the only what does cares are: objective facts and not your "wet dream"

            Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
            Whose opinion should I post if not mine. But that it is my opinion doesn't change the fact that I built this opinion with two simple facts in mind:
            1. The commonly accepted definition of the word troll in this context, which I already gave to you.
            2. The behavior you show in the posts I have read from you.
            This is how people (should) build their opinions, based on facts.
            a personal opinion is not a statement of fact !
            other people in this threat claim the exact opposite to your claim this means not all people think in your "Special" way this also means you do not make statement of facts!

            i show you what a statement of fact is: calling other people a "Troll" is off-tropic because the tropic is: ban-qaridarium or not your statement dosn't contain a vote for ban or not ban you just insult me without any on-tropic information. this means you are allowed to call for ban me but you are not allowed to insult me and calling me a "Troll" and this fact show 100% YOU ARE THE TROLL in this tropic!

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
              a personal opinion is not a statement of fact !
              Hi there,

              In the english language, facts need not be true nor objective. For example, the following are facts:

              1: The sky is purple.
              2: The ocean is is a large land mass.
              3: Oasis is the greatest rock band in human history.

              All three of the above sentences are statements of fact, but only one of them is true.

              F

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                i used 2 kind of sources for the objective criteria

                one of them:

                "The Contrarian Troll. A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose predominant opinions are contrary to their own. It is important to distinguish between dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but due to the manner in which he or she behaves:

                Contrarian Warning Sign Number One: The most important indicator of a poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry. Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.

                Contrarian Warning Sign Number Two: Constant references to the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule anyone who disagrees with you."

                Contrarian Warning Sign Number Three: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no ready answers.

                Contrarian Warning Sign Number Four: Accusing the accusers. When confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is the accusers who are trolls. Often the Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath his notice.

                Contrarian Warning Sign Number Five: Attempts to condescend. The Contrarian will seek refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics as beneath notice all the while continuing to respond to them.

                Contrarian Warning Sign Number Six: One distinctive mark of Contrarian Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned above. "
                LOL, exactly this was given to you a few posts before as description of your behavior.

                no one care about your "personal opinions" the only what does cares are: objective facts and not your "wet dream"
                Yes, there are the insults again.
                i show you what a statement of fact is: calling other people a "Troll" is off-tropic because the tropic is: ban-qaridarium or not your statement dosn't contain a vote for ban or not ban you just insult me without any on-tropic information. this means you are allowed to call for ban me but you are not allowed to insult me and calling me a "Troll" and this fact show 100% YOU ARE THE TROLL in this tropic!
                If the topic is "Ban Quaridarium" then the question must be allowed why you should be banned. Therefore my description of your behavior, with my personal conclusion that you are a troll is totally on-topic.
                And just for you i will conclude what I have posted before: You are a troll, therefore there should be some kind of punishment. I personally think that you should be given some time, may be three months, in which you show to the forums if you are able to treat the other members in a respectful way. If you aren't able to do that the banhammer should strike. But I doubt that this will be enough for you, from what I have seen from your posts there can for you be only one truth: You are right, everyone else is wrong. So even if you are not banned there can for me (and I think the other members that are annoyed by your behavior) be only one solution to keep the annoying parts of this forum to a minimum: up to my ignore list.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
                  LOL, exactly this was given to you a few posts before as description of your behavior.
                  you really don't understand DanL's joke i pwnd him on exact that definition weeks ago.
                  and he admit that my way to beat him was superior.
                  because of this he posted the same definition here again.
                  maybe i should just copy past the old conversation just to pwnd you with the same old.

                  the source of this is here: http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...urce-AMD/page7

                  DanL :"Actually, it was brought up years ago: http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...3-Ban-Qaridium
                  Watching him debate with bridgman and display mastery of the below techniques is entertaining once you get used to it. Q is just a part of the Phoronix scenery, like the beer references that some people can't stand.
                  Ignore List doesn't really work for more advanced trolls, especially those who post at the rate of Q and are skilled at threadjacking."

                  Qaridarium: "well the clue is to call a opponent with dissenting opinions a "Contrarian Troll" is the first step to be the Contrarian Troll LOL
                  this is what your "text" includes ...........
                  what have you to say in your defense? "

                  DanL: "You made my day. Thanks."

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by russofris View Post
                    Hi there,

                    In the english language, facts need not be true nor objective. For example, the following are facts:

                    1: The sky is purple.
                    2: The ocean is is a large land mass.
                    3: Oasis is the greatest rock band in human history.

                    All three of the above sentences are statements of fact, but only one of them is true.

                    F
                    you are just wrong: "A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually the case."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

                    and for stupid people the word "Really" means "need to be true"
                    Last edited by Qaridarium; 06-14-2012, 05:41 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                      you really don't understand DanL's joke i pwnd him on exact that definition weeks ago.
                      and he admit that my way to beat him was superior.
                      because of this he posted the same definition here again.
                      maybe i should just copy past the old conversation just to pwnd you with the same old.

                      the source of this is here: http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...urce-AMD/page7

                      DanL :"Actually, it was brought up years ago: http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...3-Ban-Qaridium
                      Watching him debate with bridgman and display mastery of the below techniques is entertaining once you get used to it. Q is just a part of the Phoronix scenery, like the beer references that some people can't stand.
                      Ignore List doesn't really work for more advanced trolls, especially those who post at the rate of Q and are skilled at threadjacking."

                      Qaridarium: "well the clue is to call a opponent with dissenting opinions a "Contrarian Troll" is the first step to be the Contrarian Troll LOL
                      this is what your "text" includes ...........
                      what have you to say in your defense? "

                      DanL: "You made my day. Thanks."
                      So you think such a childish behavior to just call the other troll when he caught you in your trolling is pwning the other? Dream along, troll, you just don't get it. This is the last reply from me to you, I put you on my ignore list right now, I hope that you will be banned, since you don't show any insight to your misbehavior.
                      Have a nice life.

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                      • Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
                        So you think such a childish behavior to just call the other troll when he caught you in your trolling is pwning the other?
                        you really don't get it? this works because the definition of a "Contrarian Troll" is in a way that the one who calls other a Troll IS THE TROLL!

                        Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
                        Dream along, troll, you just don't get it. This is the last reply from me to you, I put you on my ignore list right now, I hope that you will be banned, since you don't show any insight to your misbehavior.
                        Have a nice life.
                        last replay? thank you very much.

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                        • I send this message directly to Michael:

                          I send this message directly to Michael:

                          hi i know you are busy so sorry for interrupt you.
                          but these people really organize a witch hunt on me.
                          They just say anything they can to hurt me.

                          Example: "his Xenophobia is fucking annoying"

                          I can prove that i do have Friends all over the world and I do not discriminate because of race or origin.

                          They also claim that phoronix lose readers because of me : "You have to ban Qaridarium or else this site of yours is going to stagnate."

                          But the real facts show that some of my off-tropic threads do have more "Clicks" than your own off-tropic threads

                          "Germany export 4MWh E-Energy although 8 Nuclear-Power-Stations turned off" : Views: 22,526

                          "Touring Chernobyl In 2010" : Views: 17,383

                          then they claim : "Half of those clicks are probably coming from you hitting the refresh button"

                          but I really don't do this.
                          and your forum protocol can prove this!
                          i use the forum like any other normal human!

                          they also claim clearly refutable assertions like : "Qaridarium's posts are disrespectful to this community. I've never seen him agree with anyone "

                          users like "crazycheese" can confirm that I have agreed to them several times.

                          and they say disrespectful thinks like "Qaridarium contributes nothing useful"
                          what is clearly refuted.

                          even users who arguing against me disagree : "Some of his posts are significantly more thoughtful than most people realize"

                          and quotes like this "I would recommend that Qar spark a Jay, buy a Mac" in a linux forum is really sad.

                          they also make unrealizable offensive demands "Q. Can you please do us all a favor and stop being such an ass?"
                          this is unrealizable because i'm not a ASS! I can not refrain from what I'm not. this was only a rhetorical question to hurt me!

                          and if i defence myself they blame me for this to: "Q, why are you always got an excuse for each bit of criticism people are posting about you?"

                          they call all my problems like dyslexia,Asperger-Syndrome,histamine-intollerance a lie: "Remember that it is very likely his syndrome is completely imaginary, or an outright lie. This is the internet, after all."

                          they try to hurt me with wrong claims: "Q's erratic behavior comes from a drug issue. He has fried his brain by taking too much GHB" and i can prove this because GHB is used in much higher dosage to narcotize unborn childs and babys and childs and people with liver damange because its the ONLY supstance without any harm to the "body" its imposible to get a brain damange from GHB! this means they only write this to hurt me!

                          they also call me a Troll because i don't want to be banned: "There is only one kind of people out there thinking that it is a success not to be banned: Trolls."

                          they also claim always the opposite to my words just to hurt me : "facts need not be true nor objective." but wikipedia shows it in the way i write it: "A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually the case.""

                          and overall they just want me to be banned: "I hope that you will be banned, since you don't show any insight to your misbehavior."


                          Other forum users do a great work in defence me but people told me you don't have the time to read it.

                          but this was one of the best:

                          "
                          BanBanqaridarium:

                          I'm seriously sick of this repeated stupidity and I hereby ask Michael to ban user "BanQaridarium" and any such xenophobic users on spot for breaking following forum rules:

                          -- Forum Rules --

                          1)

                          2) "04.) Please refrain from using excessive amounts of profanity in your posts."
                          Users, such as BanQaridarium express excessive amounts of profanity in their posts.

                          2a)
                          Qaridarium and anyone else are allowed to post whatever they want, provided:
                          [x] it makes general sense (at least IQ 30)
                          [x] it is localed in right category

                          2b)
                          "His constant harassment towards the users of this forum is disgusting"
                          This is personal opinion.
                          Personal opinions may not be used to justify legal actions, only rules.
                          Currently, there is no rule for this, and if this rule will be created - around 80% of users will be banned, bridgman included, due to "harassment"s not lying within scope of language semantic, but rather of approach.

                          2c)
                          "his Xenophobia is fucking annoying."
                          "with someone as unintelligible as Qaridarium"
                          This users (banQ) xenophobia and his language are substantially more annoying.

                          3) "08.) Each forum member is limited to ONE (1) account."
                          BanQ is clearly a clone. For example:
                          "do some service for your paying customers"
                          "All I see on Phoronix forum topics now are Qaridarium harassing someone."
                          BanQ is not a paying customer, and was created by one of the existing users for the sole reason of trolling, harassing and intolerating (and failing to use Ignore button).

                          "I even have ads disabled when browsing your site out of mere respect."
                          Because "paying customers" do not see any ads, this proves user BanQ. is NOT premium subscriber and "paying customer"; which means he uses false statements in his argumentation for the sake reason of achieving personal attacks. This is purest form of trolling.

                          4) "01.) Absolutely no flaming, name calling, sexual harassment, or other personal attacks will be permitted. Respect everyone, including the moderators and administrators."
                          This is the only rule, which may be applied against Q, however consider the following:

                          Currently all Q. posts make sense, including and especially those against Bridgeman, because of his (Q.) frustration in Bridgeman and overall AMD opensource policy.
                          The difference is due to Bridgeman using Vista/7 (where AMD puts most of efforts and hence least of bugs) and seeing opensource driver as 2nd class driver for 2nd class (in his opinion) operating system. If Q. would replace Bridgeman in his position of (anti-)PR manager, the opensource driver would experience fair increase of development speed. This is however not likely to happen due to Bridgeman rather implementing AMD policy of "hindering, preventing and slowing" on spot, than expressing his own opinion - unlike Q.
                          As a proof, every time opensource driver sees minor improvement Q. is never seen bashing it, but rather *this fact* is used to bash Q.
                          Additionally, Q. is not nvidia or intel user and hence his reaction is solely based upon complete legal "FRUSTRATION" and falls within category "PROTEST" as there are substantial differences between advertised and real driver performance. Q. is a victim of AMD (anti-)Linux Marketing, that is.

                          As such, Qs posts, unlike post of BanQ., are not flaming, but protest, because they do have point (amd open driver quality and development approach). Protest and criticism are allowed.

                          ---

                          Thank you.

                          "

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                          • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                            i call for ban "Linuxhippy" because his "nonetheless=?" is very annoying....

                            ok i do not even unterstand the word "nonetheless" in this meaning.

                            do you mean nonsense ?
                            This is exactly why people have a problem with you. He said something you did not understand. You responded by calling it annoying...

                            Does anyone else see something wrong with this?

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                            • Originally posted by banQaridarium View Post
                              Michael,
                              Originally posted by banQaridarium View Post
                              Stop worrying about your German beer
                              Originally posted by banQaridarium View Post
                              Thanks,
                              The Stig.
                              This is not going to work...

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                              • Originally posted by rafirafi View Post
                                This is not going to work...
                                i don't ask for unrealistic scenarios .......

                                he banned 1000 of those people in the past

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