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  • #16
    Originally posted by M1kkko View Post
    As much I'm hoping this to happen, I still remain a bit sceptical about the native Steam client for linux. (hopefully, not for long anyway)
    This is going to be the best episode of Punked ever!

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    • #17
      Steam/Source on Linux is really a last shot for Linux on the desktop and for gamers to prove to studios that AAA titles on Linux can be viable and a worthwhile effort.
      If Hats: the MMO can't save Linux nothing can!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Michael View Post
        It's for the desktop: Ubuntu with the NVIDIA / AMD blobs.
        o well this means no steam for me because i use the radeon driver...

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        • #19
          Yeah, I can totally see every company under the sun lining up to port their games to Linux. Hell, they'll be so happy, they'll probably give away their ported games for free.

          If this whole Linux thing is not about a mythical, Linux-based "Steam Box", then one can say beforehand that it'll be a failure. Steam without, well, most of its games will not persuade anyone to switch to Linux. And even a "Steam Box" running Linux is, in my mind, wishful thinking in an era when console manufacturers are hard at work to lock down their consoles as best as they can. Which publisher would like to see his games being released on an "open" Linux platform? None, I guess.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by TheComrade View Post
            Yeah, I can totally see every company under the sun lining up to port their games to Linux. Hell, they'll be so happy, they'll probably give away their ported games for free.

            If this whole Linux thing is not about a mythical, Linux-based "Steam Box", then one can say beforehand that it'll be a failure. Steam without, well, most of its games will not persuade anyone to switch to Linux. And even a "Steam Box" running Linux is, in my mind, wishful thinking in an era when console manufacturers are hard at work to lock down their consoles as best as they can. Which publisher would like to see his games being released on an "open" Linux platform? None, I guess.
            I think there are plenty of indie games that might get ported to linux if there was a pre-existing platform that handled all the sales/installations/etc for them. Particularly when they are already supporting that system on other OS's.

            I know that these games can create a Humble Bundle, or go through another small store, but Steam is the gold standard on Windows, and it's what they are used to dealing with. It takes out a huge barrier for Linux support.

            I don't imagine this will do much one way or the other in terms of AAA titles coming to linux. That might come eventually if Steam sales show the money is there, but I suspect it will probably just confirm that a linux client isn't worth their time.

            However, just getting the Source engine would be nice, so that indie games which license it can easily get going on linux. And i'd love to get Portal and the Half Life series on linux - just that by itself would be a pretty major news item.

            If your only standard for success is "how many people will this convince to switch to linux", then i'd humbly submit that you are grading on the wrong standard. I don't care about that, I'd just like to see a few great games and open up the floodgates for a lot more smaller ones. Do that, and switching 0 people would still be considered a success by me.
            Last edited by smitty3268; 04-21-2012, 03:32 AM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
              If your only standard for success is "how many people will this convince to switch to linux", then i'd humbly submit that you are grading on the wrong standard. I don't care about that, I'd just like to see a few great games and open up the floodgates for a lot more smaller ones. Do that, and switching 0 people would still be considered a success by me.
              You seem to be greatly mistaken. This is not my standard, but that of many people, who think that games are the last puzzle piece that has to fall into place for Linux to conquer the desktop. If this has not to do with Linux adoption, what else has? Your fingers aren't sufficient to count the claims on Linux forums that someone's friend would switch to Linux in a heartbeat if it weren't for this game or that program etc.

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              • #22
                Yes, like Smitty I see this mostly as something of a welcome service for the indie sector, it's not going to lure AAA titles all of a sudden. Yet again I can't understand why Michael tries so hard to portray games as the make-it or break-it feature of Linux on the desktop, with statements like -'Steam/Source on Linux is really a last shot for Linux on the desktop', seriously wtf?

                I'd wager most people out there playing games do so with casual flash (and in future html5) games, the hardcore PC gamers are decreasing as they venture off towards dedicated gaming consoles. And if you really want to play AAA titles on Linux then there's wine which seems to have great support for the most popular titles, add to this the growing availability of indie games and how people are increasingly playing games on their smartphones and tablets these days rather than on their computers then I'd say games has never been such an uninportant issue for Linux on the desktop as it is today.

                Steam on Linux will not be some magical catalyst for Linux desktop adoption, it's desktop userbase will continue to grow at a snails pace and it will keep on growing with or without steam.

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                • #23
                  Desura already has me covered for my independent gaming needs. There are far less Linux games on there than Windows, but more than enough than I have time to play. I'm looking forward to Steam though, just to play the Source games that I already own. I could give a rats ass about so called "AAA" games from EA. They mostly suck anyways, IMO.

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                  • #24
                    A native linux client doesn't necessarily mean more native games. They could all be using wine, so nothing very interesting to report there. That is, unless Valve is working on some kind of cross-platform API and associated development tools for writing games that run on Steam somehow. That could be interesting.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Michael View Post
                      It's for the desktop: Ubuntu with the NVIDIA / AMD blobs.
                      My new lenovo came without any graphics card so I'm using the on-board graphics that the core i5 offers. Do you think that will work with their source engine games? If so will it be enough to run the games smoothly? It doesn't work well with some of Chrome's native client applications that I've tried.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Spectre View Post
                        My new lenovo came without any graphics card so I'm using the on-board graphics that the core i5 offers. Do you think that will work with their source engine games? If so will it be enough to run the games smoothly? It doesn't work well with some of Chrome's native client applications that I've tried.
                        The Intel developers have an early build already from Valve, but as far as I know they're not actively working towards working on it at the moment. But even if they do get it supported, unless it's a Sandy/Ivy Bridge Core i5 there's no chance the Source Engine would run well on it under Linux. Anything but the proprietary drivers is likely going to produce less than desired visual quality and performance.
                        Michael Larabel
                        http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                        • #27
                          Michael, do you also plan some sort of interview with Gabe Newell?
                          If so, how about asking for questions?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by entropy View Post
                            Michael, do you also plan some sort of interview with Gabe Newell?
                            If so, how about asking for questions?
                            I haven't asked Gabe yet if he would like to do an interview, but I'm prepared to do an interview if he's willing on Tuesday. I already have questions to ask him plus I asked Phoronix Premium subscribers for any questions they might have.
                            Michael Larabel
                            http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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