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    What format would you prefer Phoronix use to embed videos in articles?
    The most popular Linux browsers (I think), are Firefox and Opera, both of which now support OGG Theora with <video>.
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    HTML5 <video> with the OGG Theora codec
    78.79%
    26
    Flash
    15.15%
    5
    Something else (discussed below)
    6.06%
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  • #2
    Open standards are always good for things like this. Hopefully widespread adoption leads to more/faster Theora development. I can always hope.

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    • #3
      Flash is fine for the embed (there's no real need to alienate people who visit the site on closed-source systems with flash as the only video option), but it'd be awesome to have an open standard as a downloadable option for videos. I might watch one or two then

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      • #4
        Originally posted by grantek View Post
        Flash is fine for the embed (there's no real need to alienate people who visit the site on closed-source systems with flash as the only video option), but it'd be awesome to have an open standard as a downloadable option for videos. I might watch one or two then
        If a site with the title Linux reviews doesn't support the open standard videos then what site would do? Also, HTML5 <video> is supported by firefox in windows/MacosX as well, so everone will be able to watch them.
        Also, with a trick like the one in http://el.www.mozilla.com/el/firefox/3.5.2/whatsnew/ the video doesn't catch a lot of room in the page and looks neat as well
        Last edited by Apopas; 09-01-2009, 09:46 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Apopas View Post
          If a site with the title Linux reviews doesn't support the open standard videos then what site would do? Also, HTML5 <video> is supported by firefox in windows/MacosX as well, so everone will be able to watch them.
          Also, with a trick like the one in http://el.www.mozilla.com/el/firefox/3.5.2/whatsnew/ the video doesn't catch a lot of room in the page and looks neat as well
          Well potential linux switchers from windows may not be able to watch them if they are IE users. Just food for thought. We actually were just discussing this issue in the openSUSE project mailing lists. When the whole make "KDE as default" hit the fan, a suggestion was made to have the video showing the features of both desktops. Seeing that we want to show the features of both desktops to a person who is not familiar with them there is a good chance that they are using IE which of course does not support HTML 5 tags, thus it was decided that flash would be the best alternative to serve what a majority of people would already have installed on their system.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by deanjo View Post
            Well potential linux switchers from windows may not be able to watch them if they are IE users. Just food for thought. We actually were just discussing this issue in the openSUSE project mailing lists. When the whole make "KDE as default" hit the fan, a suggestion was made to have the video showing the features of both desktops. Seeing that we want to show the features of both desktops to a person who is not familiar with them there is a good chance that they are using IE which of course does not support HTML 5 tags, thus it was decided that flash would be the best alternative to serve what a majority of people would already have installed on their system.
            That's acceptable since over 40% of the users use IE-6.x. In a portal I'm making as well with news as embedded videos, we decided with my associates that flash/mp4 is the only choice till ogg/theora is officially supported in flash. But here in Phoronix, videos are just a small part of few articles. Someone who reads the articles/benchmarks is not the casual user who just reads news. So if he uses IE he could just get a phrase <<plz use Firefox/Opera>> on the videos' window that he can not play, or he can just get a link to download it. If we can not persuade give to switch form IE to Firefox then he wouldn't find Linux benchmarks interesting at all.
            My two cents.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Apopas View Post
              That's acceptable since over 40% of the users use IE-6.x. In a portal I'm making as well with news as embedded videos, we decided with my associates that flash/mp4 is the only choice till ogg/theora is officially supported in flash. But here in Phoronix, videos are just a small part of few articles. Someone who reads the articles/benchmarks is not the casual user who just reads news. So if he uses IE he could just get a phrase <<plz use Firefox/Opera>> on the videos' window that he can not play, or he can just get a link to download it. If we can not persuade give to switch form IE to Firefox then he wouldn't find Linux benchmarks interesting at all.
              My two cents.

              Oh I agree, it's all about the target audience. It still however wouldn't hurt to have both options.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                Oh I agree, it's all about the target audience. It still however wouldn't hurt to have both options.
                Yeah, dailymotion uses both options as well.

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                • #9
                  I recommend html5 theora with java applet fallback. I think a silverlight fallback is possible too, but that would probably be too much hassle.

                  http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2009/02...ml5-video.html

                  I hope that flash adds support for theora+vorbis in a future version or just get doomed.
                  May be someone will write a reasonably fast theora player in flash vm, so a smooth transition would be possible.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by cician View Post
                    I recommend html5 theora with java applet fallback. I think a silverlight fallback is possible too, but that would probably be too much hassle.

                    http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2009/02...ml5-video.html

                    I hope that flash adds support for theora+vorbis in a future version or just get doomed.
                    May be someone will write a reasonably fast theora player in flash vm, so a smooth transition would be possible.
                    http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Alchemy:Libraries
                    Since there is support for ogg, maybe we'll see and theora in the near future.

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                    • #11
                      I agree with cician idea.
                      Or Phoronix could simply put both videos. The people that don't have flash player won't see that version, and the people's browsers that doesn't support the html 5 <video> tag, they won't see it.
                      Or simple put the video with html 5 <video> and a link to youtube or dailymotion (which supports both) for the flash video.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KDesk View Post
                        I agree with cician idea.
                        Or Phoronix could simply put both videos. The people that don't have flash player won't see that version, and the people's browsers that doesn't support the html 5 <video> tag, they won't see it.
                        Or simple put the video with html 5 <video> and a link to youtube or dailymotion (which supports both) for the flash video.
                        Realplayer FTW!!!

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                        • #13
                          I vote Flash. Because it just works.

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                          • #14
                            Code:
                            <video src="whatever"><object data="old crappy flash video"></video>
                            This is a no-brainer, honestly.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                              I vote Flash. Because it just works.
                              As ogg/theora does.

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