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  • #46
    Originally posted by susikala View Post
    Sorry, I have no notion of human races. Dogs have races. I think of it in terms of cultures.
    its nice to see im not the only one who thinks like this.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by susikala View Post
      [snip incongruent babbling]
      Your arguments are wrong at so many levels that I don't even know where to start from to clean the mess you left for our amusement.

      It's not a happy coincidence that people get wary about sexist or racist comments or attitudes. History books tell us about the discrimination suffered by women and peoples of other 'races'. On the other hand, newspapers and day to day experience tell us about that very same discrimination in the present days. Precisely to correct this situation at every possible level is why affirmative action policies are adopted or why certain comments or speeches are not only unwelcomed but also punishable by law. Saying something about white heterosexual males is not the same sport, precisely because that group still sits in the privileged positions gained through centuries of oppression. That people like you equate both only shows the kind of hypocritical arguments with wich it is pretended to justify said discriminations and thus keep the status quo.

      You talk about facts, picking them up without any critical consideration as to their validity or what may have caused them. Using the list of Nobel prizes to demonstrate some sort of superiority of white males is ridiculous. Women access to higher education is a very recent phenomenon, and the same has to be said about people from poorer countries or other traditionally oppressed groups. That they cope extremelly well when they are actually granted the opportunity brutally refutes any pretension at attributing this historic inequality to biology, culture or gender. Moreover, that women only recently gained access to the University is not a coincidence either, since their exclusion was a key component of the patriarchal world view, whereby women were artificially relegated to a secondary position both socially and economically. The causes of the smaller numbers of prominent scientists--or intelectuals in general--among other discriminated groups are not hard to understand either. To start with, the economic development enjoyed by western nations is built upon the exploitation of other countries. That India was one of the first world iron producers--a common industrial index--in the late eighteen century right before the British colonisation, while nowadays is still struggling to join the leading nations should give you a clue. Under hardship conditions is no wonder that people find it difficult to develop the ultimate theory of physics when the most basic needs are not covered. Having said this, much of the perception about the lack of 'advanced' cultures in other parts of the world is only a myth fed in the west from the early days at school. That you can't name a single chinese poet or an african phylosopher says more about your ignorance and the system you've grown up into than about reality.

      But the main problem is not that your 'facts' do not explain what you would like them to. One big, fat issue with your arguments is that modernisation theories have been already debunked in the eighties and their assumptions are not tenable anymore. Of course, they are still used as an ideological weapon to justify certain policies (being Tony Blair and G. Bush two of their advocates). The another fundamental flaw is the notion of 'culture' your comments transpire--although with a great degree of confusion and incoherence, mixing up 'nature', 'culture', gender and sexual orientation. After the second world war--for obvious reasons--nobody dared to bring forth the argument of biological racism. The new trend, spanning up to our days, is cultural racism. Being the concept of race depleted of any meaning, now the differences are stressed through culture, with the result that exactly the same prejudices and attitudes of the past are now cheerfully passed under supposedly clean hands. But we know better; there is no difference between discriminating arabs because arabs or because muslims.

      To finish, and since you seem so focused on human development--another problematic concept--I'll mention that even from a completely selfish point of view, the exploitation of other groups by white elites is a moral and material disaster. We will never know how many Socrates, Cervantes, Newtons or Einsteins the world never saw because they were busy working the land or struggling to survive. The same applies to the present days, where only a minority of the population has their basic needs granted and enough spare time to devote their efforts to more intelectual occupations like expanding the theoretical body of quantum mechanics, writing phylosophy or--since you mention it--coding the linux kernel. Relating human development to some 'natural' feature that white, heterosexual (!) males are endowed with only adds insult to injury.

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      • #48
        Actually, I don't buy any of the post-modernist crap you wrote, yotambien. I invite you to emigrate to one of the countries whose people you consider equal (say Pakistan) and spread your advanced, prettily formulated, strongly bloated with self-admiration, but unfortunately completely pointless in face of the real world views there. That is, if you can.

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        • #49
          Is anyone actually moderating phoronix?

          http://www.phoronix.com/forums/misc.php?do=showrules
          By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.
          Aren't neonazi, openly sexist, anti-women, anti-non-white, inflammatory comments way beyound what's acceptable in this forum?

          Apparently not.

          The reason I participate in free and open source initiatives is mainly ethical/philosophical. I have never seen comments or situations like this in other forums (Mandrake/Mandriva back in the day, LUG mailing lists, Ubuntuforums, Kubuntuforums).

          I have no reasons to stay in this forum whatsoever. I won't be part of a group that tolerates nazi speach. I hope I can close my account, if anyone has a pointer on how to do what, it would be appreciated. I didn't see an option in the control panel.

          Thanks

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          • #50
            Nope, no way. Once you're in, you're IN! HAHAHAHA

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            • #51
              Originally posted by mendieta View Post
              Is anyone actually moderating phoronix?

              http://www.phoronix.com/forums/misc.php?do=showrules


              Aren't neonazi, openly sexist, anti-women, anti-non-white, inflammatory comments way beyound what's acceptable in this forum?

              Apparently not.

              The reason I participate in free and open source initiatives is mainly ethical/philosophical. I have never seen comments or situations like this in other forums (Mandrake/Mandriva back in the day, LUG mailing lists, Ubuntuforums, Kubuntuforums).

              I have no reasons to stay in this forum whatsoever. I won't be part of a group that tolerates nazi speach. I hope I can close my account, if anyone has a pointer on how to do what, it would be appreciated. I didn't see an option in the control panel.

              Thanks
              seems almost cowardice of you.

              First of all I would like to state that 95% of people here are of good heart and the others are too scared to speak out. Now im no mod im just a user, but at a personal level I believe anyones comments or ideas deserve to be heard if they can back it up. This is one of the principals of democracy itself. As for the enforcement of the rules: Just because such listed rules are poorly fallowed doesn't make phoronix a bad forum, just like lax (basically none) marijuana enforcement doesn't make Canada a bad country.

              In all honesty you should leave. If you dont feel like you should be among this group then the logical choice would be to leave. But thats my opinion, you are a free mind so think for yourself. Don't take what I, or anyone else here has to say to heart because it doesn't coincide with your own beliefs. Dont bother to dispute them with reason and evidence. Outside the internet many of us go to establishments where we can express similar beliefs. We call them churches, mosques, temples ect. I recommend you find one where your own ideas will be widely heard and accepted.

              One of the principals of free software is, well, free.

              Never have I come across a board with a pluralistic population. This isn't regressive or arguing - its progressive and enlightening.

              Cheers

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              • #52
                I like Linux... and cooking.

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