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  • #46
    Originally posted by Setlec View Post
    PowerPC are mac only.. (i'm saying that from a ex-windows user point of vue, b4 using linux)
    Nope. Mac no longer uses PowerPC whereas AmigaOne and some game consoles do afaik.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by nanonyme View Post
      Nope. Mac no longer uses PowerPC whereas AmigaOne and some game consoles do afaik.
      read again please, you didn't get my point!

      Still not getting my point? well I'm not talking of Mac being PowerPC only, but i'm talking of PowerPC are Mac only and not windows compatible!

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Setlec View Post
        read again please, you didn't get my point!

        Still not getting my point? well I'm not talking of Mac being PowerPC only, but i'm talking of PowerPC are Mac only and not windows compatible!
        Read again please, you didn't get my point. I said that Mac isn't PowerPC-only and that PowerPC isn't Mac-only. If you had just said "Windows only supports x86, amd64 and ia64", I would've agreed. This is a limitation of Windows, nothing more.
        ps. You don't have to yell even if you're wrong.

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        • #49
          This is a very very good idea. But please be very exigent in term of compatibility. Saying that a laptop is Linux compatible means that ALL its components are working (including webcam, card reader, ...). I say that because some "Linux laptop resellers" are very lazy in testing and they give certification as soon as processor is working...

          Also, will you support localized Amazon sites like amazon.fr?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by morgoth View Post
            Also, will you support localized Amazon sites like amazon.fr?
            This would be kind of hard to do especially with the laptop example you use. Laptop's and Prebuilts very often carry different revisions country to country. HP for example is very bad for this. Even though their systems may carry the same model number many times the components of such systems vary in the devices used to create them. So whil a US model may have excellent linux support a foreign one may not. Also later revisions of the same model can have different accessories such as card readers. These type of items often change throughout a systems lifespan as those components are swapped freely during the manufacturing lifespan based on availability and cost.

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            • #51
              Laptops that are "fully" compatible out of the box. Not necessarily the ones that come with Linux preinstalled.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Michael View Post
                If it's done, it would be tied to a store or stores, for revenue generating reasons.
                This would work, but I too admit that I would use this primarily as a reference. Depending on who the storefront was of course, and if it was an intl site or just USA can change things too (I'm Canadian).

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                  why not honor a good cloused source linux driver?

                  but we need to make clear opensource drivers on an long time view is the better way.

                  in my point of view intel isn't a alternativ becourse high prices and the igp VGAs are slow and pointless.

                  but intel supports opensource up to 100% LOL!

                  if opensource means self hurd right intel is the way to go pay highprices for an minimum opensource only support...

                  in my point of view amd will be much better in the future.

                  becourse you have the choice open and cloused source driver and specs.

                  intel has cloused source drivers to but only for macosX/windows

                  so intel is a joge for linux users.. linux users lose every 3D benchmark against macos only becourse intelshit drivers.

                  i think if intel brings the same cloused source driver to linux linux will win all benchmarks again macosX..

                  intel=highprices and a joge only for lose benchmarks its an marketing gag for macos...

                  i think apple pays intel for this!
                  As long as the gpu company (which seems to be our example) supports the hardware like they should if they were worth buying from, then closed source drivers would only be a religious debate. Intel doesnt fudge the drivers so the benchmarks look good on mac, intel just doesnt give a shit. Open source implementations of ATI was a community effort yet people are willing to buy the cards for the open drivers even though ATI really doesnt care. Its not hard for them to document some stuff and make other people do it. Look at what S3 wants done, they basically want us to make the driver for them.

                  Theres alot to think about if setting up a store. The idea of selling ati cards for open drivers is a moral disaster. Your supporting a company who is working on the backs of its users. Kind of defeats the purpose of it being open source. Im just saying its food for thought.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by tlmck View Post
                    Laptops that are "fully" compatible out of the box. Not necessarily the ones that come with Linux preinstalled.
                    That would depend on the distribution you wish to install. Some laptops boot up and run fine on one dist. and fail miserably with another.

                    Even then, laptops are stuffed with features that not everyone uses. For instance, people many not care that the Bluetooth interface or the fingerprint scanner are not supported.

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                    • #55
                      i dont think closed source drivers should be considered at all. for example, i have some older nvidia cards and those have to use older drivers, and require masking the current drivers, and possible stuck using an older kernel. i have helped a few people try linux on an older computer with nvidia, its not easy. sure nvidia drivers are good, but users are at the mercey of them for support, where open source will last as long as there are users and developers.
                      Originally posted by Michael View Post
                      If it's done, it would be tied to a store or stores, for revenue generating reasons.
                      perhaps have both? full details on phoronix and quick rating on the vendor site. on the vendor site rating 1 through 5 for 'working opensource driver', 'open documentation', and 'open source friendly vendor'. (for the case of graphics cards, might need a 2D column and 3D column)

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                      • #56
                        not sure how you could rate laptops. have a rating for overall or have individual ratings for each component?

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by L33F3R View Post
                          As long as the gpu company (which seems to be our example) supports the hardware like they should if they were worth buying from, then closed source drivers would only be a religious debate. Intel doesnt fudge the drivers so the benchmarks look good on mac, intel just doesnt give a shit. Open source implementations of ATI was a community effort yet people are willing to buy the cards for the open drivers even though ATI really doesnt care. Its not hard for them to document some stuff and make other people do it. Look at what S3 wants done, they basically want us to make the driver for them.

                          Theres alot to think about if setting up a store. The idea of selling ati cards for open drivers is a moral disaster. Your supporting a company who is working on the backs of its users. Kind of defeats the purpose of it being open source. Im just saying its food for thought.
                          i don't think you really have your information straight on whats going on with ATI's open drivers.

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                          • #58
                            Okay, here our my thoughts:
                            1) Not all hardware is supported exactly like Microsoft. (Especially video like ATI) To say that a specific piece of hardware "works" with a particular distro is likely to be peppered (or smeared) with disclaimers. If youd don't place disclaimers, phoronix will become a glowing nuclear hotspot for criticism (and perhaps a lawsuit) because you specify it "works."

                            2) With #1 in mind, maybe phoronix should consider a google-like product search hosting on this site. End-user inputs a product name, sku, part number into the search field and the results are product sellers, along with the phoronix article or review of the product and a link to the forum discussion/product rating from the forum readership.

                            This idea allows you to not make any claims on behalf of or in place of the manaufacturer (and avoidng lawsuits to any claims). It shows product ratings like CNET or PCWorld (phoronix rating, user rating). And you clould probably sell link-backs to authorized parts dealers, oh, and of course ad space.

                            With something like this, phoronix could become the premier website for all things Linux. (news, reviews, shopping search, forums)

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                            • #59
                              I think a compatible shop is a GREAT idea. Just have to remember that vendors DO NOT consider hardware changes without model number changes to be an issue. Therefore, just because a laptop (for example) works one day, it may not work well with a Linux distro tomorrow, even though the model number is the same. Hate it when they do things like this... I just want to note that you can't just "be done with it" once you think you've found a compatible item.

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                              • #60
                                Maybe the site should have a linux support rating

                                It could have
                                'Full support with open source drivers' (ath5k, ath9k(?), etc)
                                'Partial support with open source drivers' (could include b43, -ati, madwifi)
                                'Buggy support with open source drivers' (intel) and
                                'Full support with proprietary drivers' (nvidia fglrx(though this IS broken))

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