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  • #16
    lolnope: your attitude (and not only your money) is what keeps me hopeful.

    The other people posting here that they won't donate to GNOME because they don't like the style of its default shell... don't give me much hope.

    We're all here fighting for free (libre) software. This means that -- incredibly! -- you actually really, really want your "enemy" to succeed! Weird, huh?

    I think KDE is the worst desktop experience in the universe, but I'm going to donate some money to them right now, because freedom.

    But freedom needs to be extended into many corners. GNOME's outreach to women is unbelievably crucial. They'll get an extra donation from me just for that.

    (For the record, I'm not a fan of the GNOME shell, thought I'm a big fan of other projects managed by the GNOME foundation.)

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    • #17
      Becoming friends...

      They don't have money, they don't have users but they have ideas, so everything should be fine.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by emblemparade View Post
        We're all here fighting for free (libre) software. This means that -- incredibly! -- you actually really, really want your "enemy" to succeed! Weird, huh?
        enemy? so, KDE, enlightenment... are enemies?

        strange, when i try running any gnome app anywhere else, i'm missing whole appmenu, not to mention completely break usage defaults since everything is reinvented. like confirmation buttons are now on 3 different sides, scrollbars in gnome work differently than scrollbars elsewhere, menu buttons which don't make sense... list goes on and on, but it can be described as useless

        when i try running my cross platform apps, they integrate pretty well everywhere except in gnome (even if i run gtk based ones) where they look completely out of place. same goes for more or less all non-gnome apps

        weird, huh? when most apps from linux run more natively on windows than they do on gnome and gnome apps don't work elsewhere without faults, you really have to wonder who enemy is

        Originally posted by rafirafi View Post
        They don't have money, they don't have users but they have ideas, so everything should be fine.
        this should definitelly become new meme, lol. so sad, but so true

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        • #19
          Originally posted by lolnope View Post
          Guys this is not about whether KDE or Gnome is better or how unusable gnome is. A free software project out there is in need of funds and we need to save it
          I think I'll donate 25% of my salary to gnome when I get a job next month
          While I love free software, I'm afraid it's best if we hold off.

          I will be refraining from donating until GNOME:

          A) Renounce these social justice campaigns as peripheral and unnecessary
          B) Promise to not hijack the organization for peripheral and unnecessary endeavors in future

          I want to support free software, not social justice politics.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by emblemparade View Post
            GNOME's outreach to women is unbelievably crucial.
            Explain why.

            There is literally nothing stopping most women from participating in FOSS, and no matter how much of other people's money you throw at it, those who don't want to participate will not.

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            • #21
              Donated a bit. Some of my friends and family rock Gnome 3.x and love it.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by jern View Post
                1) Inclusion has for a long time been a public value of the GNOME project. Think of the strong consideration for a11y.
                That's just a buzzword.

                If GNOME wants my money, then let them justify their little social justice projects, which frankly aren't even necessary and will not be successful.

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                • #23
                  Kde was the default desktop. Gnome has just created fragmentation, with the dishonestly name Unity, Mate, Cinnamon lxde xfce etc. We need convergence: one default display server, one window manager, one desktop, one office suite, one init system, one package manager, one file manger.

                  If we could get Linux up out of the 1-2% then we could support numerous minority options and choices, but there needs to be one coherent, properly tested default distro that new users, hardware manufacturers and application developers can focus on.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Rich Oliver View Post
                    Kde was the default desktop. Gnome has just created fragmentation, with the dishonestly name Unity, Mate, Cinnamon lxde xfce etc. We need convergence: one default display server, one window manager, one desktop, one office suite, one init system, one package manager, one file manger.

                    If we could get Linux up out of the 1-2% then we could support numerous minority options and choices, but there needs to be one coherent, properly tested default distro that new users, hardware manufacturers and application developers can focus on.
                    Utopia

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Rich Oliver View Post
                      We need convergence: one default display server,
                      Which will be Wayland.
                      one window manager,
                      Of course you mean the i3 WM in conjunction with Compton (at least until i3 gets its own compositing), am I right?
                      one desktop,
                      no one needs that, so we can happily dismiss that to get more resources for other things.
                      one office suite,
                      I guess you are fine with Calligra, aren't you?
                      one init system,
                      Sure, let's go for SystemV init with BSD style scripts, or maybe something like OpenRC.
                      one package manager,
                      Slackware's pkgtools are just fine and easy to work with, let's go for that.
                      one file manger.
                      OK, I vote for Ranger.

                      Oh, I guess that isn't what you wanted, of course those "standard" things should be the ones you want to use, am I right?

                      It is rather simple to get what you describe: Switch to Windows or OS X. I take my Linux as it is already: Free choice for everyone, no forced "standards".
                      And I support the projects that I like. I couldn't care less about Gnome's Shell design, I don't use it. What I care about is their attitude: Don't listen to your users, don't listen to the developers that also use "your" toolkit, ... .

                      They want money? Easy, fix your problems, become a more attractive project, the money will come almost automatically.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BSDude View Post
                        Utopia
                        how is that utopia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia

                        it would kill choice, not to mention projects on a holocaust level... unless mass murder is the road to paradise, lol

                        as far as system level choices go, it would be good. and this part is already in progress with systemd and wayland (and probably btrfs as default file system)
                        now...
                        - how would distro like gentoo use same package manager as the rest?
                        - so you either enforce one "does all" or "lacking features" office on everyone?
                        - window manager... just for appetizer. which one do you enforce tiling or non tiling?
                        - desktop? kde which has too many features, gnome which has too few, cinnamon which lacks apps,...

                        all but basic system level would much better be served in common specs, where not one party is deviating away unless it 100% supports spec as standalone which was agreed by all contenders... in short freedesktop which actually acts as one instead of free dumping ground as fdo is

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by mike_ludkips View Post
                          I want to support free software, not social justice politics.
                          I think you are confused. What you want is probably to support "open source", not "free software". It is a known fact that free software activists (first among them RMS) consider free software a social movement standing for a given set of ethical and social values.

                          Open source is a development methodology; free software is a social movement. This is precisely the defining difference between the two. From then GNU website:

                          The two terms describe almost the same category of software, but they stand for views based on fundamentally different values. Open source is a development methodology; free software is a social movement. For the free software movement, free software is an ethical imperative, essential respect for the users' freedom. By contrast, the philosophy of open source considers issues in terms of how to make software “better”—in a practical sense only. It says that nonfree software is an inferior solution to the practical problem at hand. Most discussion of “open source” pays no attention to right and wrong, only to popularity and success.
                          The political agenda against free software of this blog being known, I am not surprised by the tone of most comment here. I'm sorry for so few people standing for free software, but I don't think there's anything inherently bad with their feeling (reading them doesn't affect my level of "hope")... we are still better off with open source enthusiasts disagreeing with us but making free software more visible than being alone.

                          As for Gnome: I love it and it perfectly meets my needs as a programmer who need a reliable, snappy, versatile environment with no frills added (but with more functionality than Xmonad)... I am very happy they follow their vision rather than conforming to users' wishes, as that exposed me to something I would not have imagined myself. That said, their programmers would most certainly benefit from some more "style" in communicating with the community at large.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by mike_ludkips View Post
                            While I love free software, I'm afraid it's best if we hold off.

                            I will be refraining from donating until GNOME:

                            A) Renounce these social justice campaigns as peripheral and unnecessary
                            B) Promise to not hijack the organization for peripheral and unnecessary endeavors in future

                            I want to support free software, not social justice politics.
                            I think you'll find the GNU has always been a social justice movement. Go back to reddit MRA and have a nice circlejerk dude.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by lolnope View Post
                              I think I'll donate 25% of my salary to gnome when I get a job next month
                              Wow, great!

                              One of the things to consider though is dependability.
                              Donations, even huge ones, are often one-time incomes. In order to do a proper budget and respective planning, more stable forms of income are preferable, e.g. in case of GNOME joining the Friends of GNOME program.

                              A momentary increase in donations will resolve the current crisis more quickly.
                              An increase in FoG members will improve the situation in the long run, i.e. making it less likely that such a crisis will happen again.

                              Basically the "give a man a fish" principle.

                              Cheers,
                              _

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                              • #30
                                Why donate money?
                                gnome is a redhat business so they can give them some money They gain hundred of million each year, they are a big multinational company and then they ask poor users for donation!

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