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  • #16
    Originally posted by AJenbo View Post
    Try replacing it with "black", "gay" or "women" and see if that still seams factually relevant.
    Nope, don't see the problem. Maybe it's because I lack an underlying association of "pointing out someone's black/gay/female/chinese" with "being those things is bad". It's just things they are.

    I bet you'd be all for pointing out that they were black/gay/female/chinese if they were doing something good, though?

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    • #17
      Racism

      Originally posted by Dukenukemx View Post
      To be fair, the Chinese people are called 毛德操, 王承志, 徐鼎鼎, 陈天洲, 马建良. Or according to Google translate, Maud parade, Wang Chengzhi, Xu Dingding, Chen Tianzhou, Ma Jianliang.

      Lol Dingding. The persons name already hears the sound of money.

      I always thought there are open-minded people on this forum, but this topic just showed me how racist they could be. I am a Chinese student myself. This good sir I am replying to doesn't actually think we are silly enough to name our children "Maud parade", does he? I don't know what "Dingding" is, all I know is that a beautiful language of thousands years of history can become this ridiculous in some barbarians' filthy mouth.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by SSwolfenstein
        Well you couldn't use your standard of high racism-tolerance to judge everyone. If I am a bigot for pointing out that I am hurt by racism, what makes you by judging me then?
        If "Maud parade" and "dingding" sounds OK to you, you could at least change your username to that .
        Of course there are some individuals crossed the line or broke the rules. But according to your infant logic, billions of Chinese people should be lampooned and pay for that?
        I wasn't calling *you* a bigot in that first line - I was lampooning the position of those who accuse people of racism and bigotry for mere trifles.

        People all over the world are gonna find things from other places all over the world funny. Oh no. What a shame. Guess we'll have to ban humour!
        Or, we could simply bother to distinguish the cases where people are deliberately trying to cause harm.

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        • #19
          A new member with a provoking username (SSwolfenstein, really?), complaining about racism. Who else thinks that Honton has found a new low?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by thrownaway
            Does Michael title "North American people try to patent..." or "European people..." if applicable?
            Usually not. So? I fail to see where you established that this necessarily implies hatefulness of any kind.

            Originally posted by thrownaway
            Is it OK to title "Black man steal a bike" if he's black but "Man steal a bike" if he's white? There is nothing wrong with being black!
            People tacitly assume that whatever they are is "normal", and so will usually only bother to make distinct things which are different. Jumping down the throats of people who do this (protip: everyone does, in different contexts) seems to be missing the wider point of genuine tolerance, and devalues arguments against genuine intolerance.

            Clearly we do not accept journalists writing "nigger stole bike". The reason that would be bad is because of the unfounded assumed association being drawn with it. Clearly we want a world where people do not automatically care what race/gender/whatever other people are. However a necessary result of living in this idealised world would also be that people shouldn't care when the race/gender/whatever of people is merely mentioned. In such a world, objecting to the mere acknowledgement of difference would reflect a genuine sense of intolerance and bigotry, because the person objecting to the difference being mentioned would only need to do so if they believed that the difference itself implied better-or-worse-ness - i.e. if they were intolerant.

            tl;dr this is a non-issue, but internet whiners have to waste their time doing something, therefore RACISM

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            • #21
              Originally posted by aphirst View Post
              I wasn't calling *you* a bigot in that first line - I was lampooning the position of those who accuse people of racism and bigotry for mere trifles.

              People all over the world are gonna find things from other places all over the world funny. Oh no. What a shame. Guess we'll have to ban humour!
              Or, we could simply bother to distinguish the cases where people are deliberately trying to cause harm.
              Well if you personally find racist comments funny, it is OK with me. But you should keep it secret, just like you did with your other fetishes.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by SSwolfenstein View Post
                Well if you personally find racist comments funny, it is OK with me. But you should keep it secret, just like you did with your other fetishes.
                Frankly, I find the fact that you think I should self-censor to be deeply offensive. I trust you'll keep your hateful, offensive, bigoted opinion secret from now on? [/satire]

                Or, not. Freedom of expression is more important than feelings (or ill-thought-out knee-jerk "hate speech" laws).
                Last edited by aphirst; 03-31-2014, 10:31 AM. Reason: Clarification

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by mendieta View Post
                  This is horrible, but also a great example of the silliness of Software Patents.

                  Otoh, I am not sure I like the emphasis on the Nationality of the individuals involved. Saying where the patent was filed is important, but slamming the Chinese People in the article's title? Mmm ... no so cool.

                  Anyways, thank you for sharing, Michael.
                  China has a long history of stealing technology from the US, and of producing low-quality counterfeits of American and European products. I didn't read the article title as "slamming" anyone; merely pointing out the nationality of the perpetrators, which is relevant in this case.

                  China also has a long history of ignoring US patents and trademarks. Attempting to litigate against a Chinese company in a Chinese government court is an exercise in futility.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by aphirst View Post
                    Or, not. Freedom of expression is more important than feelings (or ill-thought-out knee-jerk "hate speech" laws).
                    +1 agree completely.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by aphirst View Post
                      Frankly, I find the fact that you think I should self-censor to be deeply offensive. I trust you'll keep your hateful, offensive, bigoted opinion secret from now on? [/satire]

                      Or, not. Freedom of expression is more important than feelings (or ill-thought-out knee-jerk "hate speech" laws).
                      I have great rage towards racism and I am not going to hide it, ever.
                      Why would you keep finding shaky excuses for the racist comment why I keep my voice down, just because I am the minority on this forum?
                      My feeling has already been hurt when I read these racist comments and you can not hurt it again even if you want to, partly because what you said make absolutely no sense.
                      I take my time to reply to you constantly, not because I don't have better things to do, BUT because I want to make things right, and recall that racism is NOT normal.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by SSwolfenstein View Post
                        I have great rage towards racism and I am not going to hide it, ever.
                        Why would you keep finding shaky excuses for the racist comment why I keep my voice down, just because I am the minority on this forum?
                        My feeling has already been hurt when I read these racist comments and you can not hurt it again even if you want to, partly because what you said make absolutely no sense.
                        I take my time to reply to you constantly, not because I don't have better things to do, BUT because I want to make things right, and recall that racism is NOT normal.
                        Again, I was satirising the position which is being taken against the (actually harmless) title of this article, not genuinely suggesting that you should not be expressing your opinion.

                        My point is that the solution is for people to talk to each other and be free to express their opinions, rather than have one group just flat-out insist that the other group's opinions are "bad" and therefore must be censored.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by johään View Post
                          The title of the article is not the best. At least by only reading the title it gives you the impression that 1.3 billion Chinese people are supporting the patent
                          When the news says "Russians invade Crimea" do you read it as the entire population of Russia, every man woman and child, have all participated in the invasion of Crimea?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by aphirst View Post
                            My point is that the solution is for people to talk to each other and be free to express their opinions, rather than have one group just flat-out insist that the other group's opinions are "bad" and therefore must be censored.
                            Except that this is exactly what you have been doing the entire thread.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by xeekei View Post
                              Haven't the Chinese built their domestic business around copying Western stuff for years now? They've been ignoring patents left and right, haven't they? This feels hypocritical to say the least. And yes, I realise this is a subset of the Chinese people, but I think the irony still stands.
                              Haven't Americans been enacting laws against murder for years now? Yet there's this one American dude who killed another dude. This feels hypocritical to say the least. And yes, I realise this is a subset of the American people, but I think the irony still stands.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by torsionbar28 View Post
                                When the news says "Russians invade Crimea" do you read it as the entire population of Russia, every man woman and child, have all participated in the invasion of Crimea?
                                The news never says "Russians invade Crimea". Any respectful journalistic outlet would formulate it as "Russia invades Crimea", which is factually the case. The first version implies that some individual Russian persons had invaded Crimea. The second implies that the nation of Russia had invaded Crimea. There's a huge difference.

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