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  • #31
    Originally posted by ACiD View Post
    A couple of questions to your paranoid people:

    1) Out of multiple millions of users, what makes you think YOU would interest anybody?
    2) Why are you scared? Are you doing something illegal?

    Me, I'm going to leave my webcams as they are. But I'll make sure that no laptop screen is pointing at the room when having intimate relationships with my wife

    Even with open source code it will be really simple to sneak in malicious code as nobody except the developer himself has time to comb through all the code. Thats how the BSD backdoor was undiscovered for a decade despite the open code
    1. I don't know "Reality Tv" is extremely popular in the US, and many of those shows are about people doing boring things.
    2. Ignorance of the law is no excuse and statistically you break the law multiple times a day.

    And your right even with Open Source code introducing "bad code" isn't a particular difficult task, and finding that "bad code" can be extremely difficult. That's why lightweight, easy to maintain and audit alternatives are better than there overly complex and extremely large version's. If your having difficultly finding a needle in a haystack the only logical solution is to make the haystack pile smaller.

    If your referring to "OpenBSD" that backdoor still hasn't been found, if there is or was one in the first place.
    Last edited by zester; 12-22-2013, 09:13 AM.

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    • #32
      Real world: lots of illegal and corporate surveillance of political activsts

      Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
      You linked to the blaze for a click-baiting scare article.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...d98_story.html



      Realistically if you aren't buying Ukrainian sex slaves or trying to have someone assassinated on Silk Road 2, you have nothing to fear from this. You still have to worry about the RATers, though.
      If you are organizing nonviolent protests against gas fracking or tar sands, you are considered a "terrorist" by elements in the Department of Homeland Security. Also, suppose the author of the FBI software to turn on webcams gives or sells a copy of the software to his buddy that works for something like STRATFOR. STRATFOR, a private intelligence company, wrote a long paper for Suncor about trying to counter tar sands protests.

      The linked case concerned someone sending bomb threats to airports and universities, threatening mostly the general public. Nonviolent protest, and even more so the Native American uprisings against oil and gas extraction in places like New Brunswick, Canada threaten the investments of the rich and powerful. Therefore, activsts opposing tar sands and gas fracking are bigger fish then someone theatening airports, not smaller fish, due to who's ox is being gored.

      Just imagine the economic value to an oil-company funded private surveillance firm of a pirate copy of the FBI's webcam software. Imagine also the FBI's motivation to use it with or without a warrant. The US is allied to Canada, and Canada has declared the tar sands mine and tar sands pipelines to be their number one security priority.

      In other words, Canada regards even nonviolent tar sands protesters and gas fracking protesters as the worst terrorists they can come up against, given that Canada is choosing whether to become an economic powerhouse with a poisoned landscape or to remain a pristine "backwater." It's ally the US is known to take the same position. Example: last week a banner drop in a corporate office in Oklahoma included black glitter symbolizing an oil spill. At the advice of Transcanada officials, a fake Hazmat response was mounted and the activists charged with a "terrorist hoax" for glitter. There was no effort by workers in the building to avoid the glitter, indicated it was known to be harmless.

      When you are treated as a terrorist, your computer security needs become the same as those of fighters who actually engage in armed warfare against the same government, at least so far as "civilian" surveillance agencies are concerned. I've been telling people for YEARS to boycott Windows and Facebook, and I keep webcams covered and batteries out of cellphones, etc when not in use.

      An uncovered webcam in a meeting of activsts opposing tar sands mining, the Keystone pipeline, gas fracking, or moutaintop removal coal mining could be as big a hazard as it is in a Mafia boardroom. The only possible exception is firmware/hardware bugs, where the take could be used to deploy cops to what was thought to be a surprise action but could not be used in court. Admitting in open court to say, a backdoor in Intel processors could kill Intel, and that's nearly as big a loss as the loss of the Keystone XL pipeline, maybe bigger if it forces the US military to get their CPU's from China.

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      • #33
        1984

        Originally posted by Luke View Post
        If you are organizing nonviolent protests against gas fracking or tar sands, you are considered a "terrorist" by elements in the Department of Homeland Security. Also, suppose the author of the FBI software to turn on webcams gives or sells a copy of the software to his buddy that works for something like STRATFOR. STRATFOR, a private intelligence company, wrote a long paper for Suncor about trying to counter tar sands protests.

        The linked case concerned someone sending bomb threats to airports and universities, threatening mostly the general public. Nonviolent protest, and even more so the Native American uprisings against oil and gas extraction in places like New Brunswick, Canada threaten the investments of the rich and powerful. Therefore, activsts opposing tar sands and gas fracking are bigger fish then someone theatening airports, not smaller fish, due to who's ox is being gored.

        Just imagine the economic value to an oil-company funded private surveillance firm of a pirate copy of the FBI's webcam software. Imagine also the FBI's motivation to use it with or without a warrant. The US is allied to Canada, and Canada has declared the tar sands mine and tar sands pipelines to be their number one security priority.

        In other words, Canada regards even nonviolent tar sands protesters and gas fracking protesters as the worst terrorists they can come up against, given that Canada is choosing whether to become an economic powerhouse with a poisoned landscape or to remain a pristine "backwater." It's ally the US is known to take the same position. Example: last week a banner drop in a corporate office in Oklahoma included black glitter symbolizing an oil spill. At the advice of Transcanada officials, a fake Hazmat response was mounted and the activists charged with a "terrorist hoax" for glitter. There was no effort by workers in the building to avoid the glitter, indicated it was known to be harmless.

        When you are treated as a terrorist, your computer security needs become the same as those of fighters who actually engage in armed warfare against the same government, at least so far as "civilian" surveillance agencies are concerned. I've been telling people for YEARS to boycott Windows and Facebook, and I keep webcams covered and batteries out of cellphones, etc when not in use.

        An uncovered webcam in a meeting of activsts opposing tar sands mining, the Keystone pipeline, gas fracking, or moutaintop removal coal mining could be as big a hazard as it is in a Mafia boardroom. The only possible exception is firmware/hardware bugs, where the take could be used to deploy cops to what was thought to be a surprise action but could not be used in court. Admitting in open court to say, a backdoor in Intel processors could kill Intel, and that's nearly as big a loss as the loss of the Keystone XL pipeline, maybe bigger if it forces the US military to get their CPU's from China.
        Luke, did you used "the force" of telling things strait ? As a supplement, please note this 'muscle flexing' is extending further out over the globe. See:
        http://www.theecologist.org/News/new...ot_police.html
        http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pungesti-ro...4.html#dQdqLXd
        And this is just one small village in this country. Many more will suffer the same fate. There's no doubt why this sort of 'capitalism' is regarded with increasing aversion in more and more countries... The downfall ?! Well, it's simple. It's called communism. Since the right was condemned, that leaves only the left as an 'option'... It doesn't really matter that nazism is quite the same thing as communism, only one is painted green and the other red. The reds won because the greens were officially condemned... It's a sad future awaiting us all. We all are living in the days of the chinese curse: we are living the interesting times. Including the chinese. Because what can governments do when they realise there are so many 'terrorist' that are against fracking ?! They pass new laws giving them more power to opress anything or anybody standing in their way. 1984.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by curaga View Post
          You contradict yourself there. If you had nothing to hide, you would also broadcast your intimate relations, afterall, out of millions of users, what makes you think YOUR intimate relations would interest anybody?
          I'm fairly sure anyone at NSA would not care about my intimate relations but as previously noted, some others would. You have to understand that paranoia against government and intimacy are two different things lol.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by ACiD View Post
            I'm fairly sure anyone at NSA would not care about my intimate relations but as previously noted, some others would. You have to understand that paranoia against government and intimacy are two different things lol.
            You do realize that "Sodomy" is still illegal, in some parts of the country.

            No seriously if I worked for the NSA and your "Wife/Girlfriend?" was "Short, Pale Skinned and Curvy" I would be totally interested in your "intimate relations"!!!!!! lol
            Last edited by zester; 12-23-2013, 01:45 PM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by ACiD View Post
              I'm fairly sure anyone at NSA would not care about my intimate relations but as previously noted, some others would. You have to understand that paranoia against government and intimacy are two different things lol.
              You have strange priorities there, when one of those can kill you or really inconvenience your life, and the other is some loner masturbating :P

              Anyway, I hope you see what was hypocritical about your post. You criticised others for blocking their webcams, and then proceeded to say you also block yours in case X.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by curaga View Post
                You contradict yourself there. If you had nothing to hide, you would also broadcast your intimate relations, afterall, out of millions of users, what makes you think YOUR intimate relations would interest anybody?
                The criteria here is hiding things that are wrong and immoral. Having loving, intimate relations with your spouse of the opposite sex is not wrong (and frankly, it's encouraged ).

                Showing your private parts, while legal in certain contexts (i.e. adult porn websites), is always wrong and immoral, just like hiding the fact that you've committed a crime (i.e. bootlegged movies, games, music, etc).

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                • #38
                  Sorry, religious morality does not cut it here

                  Originally posted by MartinN View Post
                  The criteria here is hiding things that are wrong and immoral. Having loving, intimate relations with your spouse of the opposite sex is not wrong (and frankly, it's encouraged ).

                  Showing your private parts, while legal in certain contexts (i.e. adult porn websites), is always wrong and immoral, just like hiding the fact that you've committed a crime (i.e. bootlegged movies, games, music, etc).
                  I am not a Christian and I do not subscribe to Fundamentalist Christian views about morality. One problem with pervasive surveillance is that the Christian Taliban, which so loves porn filters, would LOVE to be able to use electronic records to jail people engaged in disfavored online dating/cruising. I will fight by any means necessary to protect my right to control my own body, the Christian Taliban is one of my oldest enemies.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by MartinN View Post
                    The criteria here is hiding things that are wrong and immoral. Having loving, intimate relations with your spouse of the opposite sex is not wrong (and frankly, it's encouraged ).

                    Showing your private parts, while legal in certain contexts (i.e. adult porn websites), is always wrong and immoral, just like hiding the fact that you've committed a crime (i.e. bootlegged movies, games, music, etc).
                    If you were in any Muslim dominated country, things like "Homosexuality", "Sodomy" creating "Porn" or just taking "Nude Pictures" of your self are all-things that are highly illegal and in many cases are punishable by death.

                    In none Muslim dominated country's there are many situations where the above things could be used against you in one way or another.

                    So is the NSA interested in your "Private Intimate Life", yes ... yes they are. There isn't any part of your life that there not interested in.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Luke View Post
                      I am not a Christian and I do not subscribe to Fundamentalist Christian views about morality. One problem with pervasive surveillance is that the Christian Taliban, which so loves porn filters, would LOVE to be able to use electronic records to jail people engaged in disfavored online dating/cruising. I will fight by any means necessary to protect my right to control my own body, the Christian Taliban is one of my oldest enemies.
                      Keep fighting then. You may one day realize you've been fighting against what your heart truly wants and needs by fighting to maintain control over your body.

                      In the meantime, if you ever get curious about lust and its impact on one's soul, check out SA.org

                      G'day.

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                      • #41
                        personal life persecution begets riots and resistance

                        Originally posted by zester View Post
                        If you were in any Muslim dominated country, things like "Homosexuality", "Sodomy" creating "Porn" or just taking "Nude Pictures" of your self are all-things that are highly illegal and in many cases are punishable by death.

                        In none Muslim dominated country's there are many situations where the above things could be used against you in one way or another.

                        So is the NSA interested in your "Private Intimate Life", yes ... yes they are. There isn't any part of your life that there not interested in.
                        In any country with a significant secular population, regardless of the state religion, busting down doors with arrest warrants for "sodomy," "porn," "prostitution," etc can lead to violent, even armed resistance. In the US, the Gay community celebrates Pride in June, remembering the Stonewall Riots of 1969. On June 28, 1969, the NY vice squad, the ATF, and eventually the riot squad attempted to raid the Stonewall Inn, a gay bar in Greenwich village. All were defeated as a huge crowd poured into the streets and resisted them with overwhelming force. Eventually the pigs barricaded themselves inside the emptied bar, only to have the door smashed down with an uprooted parking meter used as a battering ram. The pigs drew their guns in response to lighter fluid and a tossed match (that missed), and bought enough time to be rescued by a riot squad unit that simply picked them up and ran. The next two nights saw more fighting with draq queens and hustlers clearly dominant over the cops.

                        Now, about the Muslim countries: I can promise you the Christian Taliban's interest in the Middle East is based on Crusade and on oil, not on freedom they don't want here either. Why else have religious laws about sex and women's rights in Afghanistan changed so little under a decade of US occupation? So long as those laws do exist, one of the goals of both free software and Internet security tools like Tor should be to protect people from the religious police and help people defy oppressive regime. Example: the Tor project puts a lot of energy into helping their Persian users resist censorship and policing in Iran. Tor is very popular in Iran, showing public contempt for a fundamentalist government.

                        Thanks for reminding everyone here that just because you don't fight against tar sands or gas fracking does not mean the NSA does not want your webcam take! Hell, state and local police in places like the US "Bible Belt" probably want it even more than the NSA does. In those places, I advise the use of Tor for online cruising and making sure you can defend yourself against any surprises.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by zester View Post
                          You do realize that "Sodomy" is still illegal, in some parts of the country.

                          No seriously if I worked for the NSA and your "Wife/Girlfriend?" was "Short, Pale Skinned and Curvy" I would be totally interested in your "intimate relations"!!!!!! lol
                          You don't get the point. NSA as an organization is only interested in individuals who threaten the national security. If you don't belong to that group you have nothing to fear from them, actually quite the opposite. They're trying to keep you safe. If you (as an NSA worker) would get caught watching people have sex at work you'd probably lose your job unless you could show solid proof that you needed to do that for your task.

                          Sodomy, homosexuality, nudity etc. are all perfectly legal in the country I live so I have nothing to fear from my government lol even though I don't practice any of the said treats with the exception of offline nudity. Any people taking nude shots of themselves and spreading them on the net can only blame themselves if they get into trouble, its generally speaking a horrible idea unless you're aiming for a career in porn industry.
                          Last edited by ACiD; 12-23-2013, 06:37 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by zester View Post
                            If you were in any Muslim dominated country, things like "Homosexuality", "Sodomy" creating "Porn" or just taking "Nude Pictures" of your self are all-things that are highly illegal and in many cases are punishable by death.

                            In none Muslim dominated country's there are many situations where the above things could be used against you in one way or another.

                            So is the NSA interested in your "Private Intimate Life", yes ... yes they are. There isn't any part of your life that there not interested in.
                            The only time I can see the NSA, or any other three lettered government agency, would even be remotely interested in your sexual peccadilloes, is if it was material to a case they were investigating, in a larger context other than wanting to know your sexual preferences and/or viewing pleasures. Without this context, purely peering into your or my sexual life/preferences without probable cause and/or a warrant would be illegal and the NSA would do well to reign in employees who abuse the governments resources for the purposes of feeding their own sex addictions. In other words, internal abuse and dereliction of duty are the hardest thing to snuff out.

                            What's it to you anyway? Are you into some kinky stuff you don't want anyone to know about or what?
                            Last edited by MartinN; 12-23-2013, 07:23 PM.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by MartinN View Post
                              What's it to you anyway? Are you into some kinky stuff you don't want anyone to know about or what?
                              In my experience the same people who rage about privacy, Tor etc. are the same ones who later casually comment 'they had entered puberty' as an excuse lol. Not to mention that Tor was infiltrated so that in reality all traffic was monitored real time on all the fools who thought they were safe.

                              Pedophiles and criminals are the largest 'security' advocates on the net probably as they have the most to hide.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by ACiD View Post
                                In my experience the same people who rage about privacy, Tor etc. are the same ones who later casually comment 'they had entered puberty' as an excuse lol. Not to mention that Tor was infiltrated so that in reality all traffic was monitored real time on all the fools who thought they were safe.

                                Pedophiles and criminals are the largest 'security' advocates on the net probably as they have the most to hide.
                                As I'm a die hard believer of nothing ever happens for no reason (i.e. "I WANT PRIVACY FOR THE SAKE OF PRIVACY" - yeah right!), I am very inclined to agree with your assertion. We all lie to cover up our wrongdoing, and hopefully one day our moral conscience wakes up and we cease to engage in self-destructive behaviors - on what basis this happens, I have no idea other than to attribute it to God's will.

                                And if anyone deals in, views or promotes and/or distributes child porn, immediately stop and get medical/psychiatric/spiritual help soon before you are caught. If you get caught, your life as you know it - is over, for good.

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