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  • #16
    Why would the Tea Party be upset. They should understand that perhaps their current tactics are anti business and harmful to the economy. Unless they are really just a group of religious right culture war leftovers under a new banner.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by toyotabedzrock View Post
      Why would the Tea Party be upset. They should understand that perhaps their current tactics are anti business and harmful to the economy. Unless they are really just a group of religious right culture war leftovers under a new banner.
      First, some of them probably think otherwise, while some of them are probably defending their own business. The version that gets to me, I dislike it (however, I'm from another country, so it is likely there was some manipulation of the data in the way). This doesn't make it any less offensive to them to be used as an insult. It was not just a comparison, which wouldn't be necessarily offensive, it was an insult, and nobody likes to be used as such.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
        No, it is not. You are judging SteamOS will practically wipe out Ubuntu, and that's your opinion and your judgement. You are not basing upon any facts, or at least not exposing them.
        Oh dear. Are you bored? For you i will make clear that its a prediction. The supporting fact is obvious so i will not explain it.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Kemosabe View Post
          Oh dear. Are you bored?
          As a matter of fact, I am.

          For you i will make clear that its a prediction. The supporting fact is obvious so i will not explain it.
          It is a prediction? So, you can also tell me if it is going to rain tomorrow?
          There are several arguable things in your assumption.
          The first is that the SteamBox will actually be a HUGE success. AFAIK, it is just a well-thought desktop computer with SteamOS preinstalled. A gamer could as well buy it to avoid the work of planning the hardware he is going to use piece by piece, and then install Windows on it. There might be games that remain unsupported on Linux/SteamOS. As this setup will still require the gamer to have a decent Windows box running it, this would probably change this "at least I don't have to look for the hardware" plan, or keep it as "then I'll switch to Windows".
          Aside of SteamBox, I don't think SteamOS will have huge adoption, as games will keep running on Windows, and games ported to SteamOS will (as far as we know) run on any Linux machine with the Steam Runtime, so Linux users aren't likely to migrate either, again, with the exception of buying a SteamBox.
          And again, people who already migrated to Ubuntu, I'm inclined to think games weren't the deal maker nor the deal breaker for them, as Ubuntu gained almost decent support for games just recently. This means an OS which is mostly target to gaming will be "meh" for them.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Alex Sarmiento View Post
            The owner of fixubuntu.com was appealing to the 'nominative fair use ' ,but sadly, his own website did not pass the application of his own argument. You have to take a look at the original website to realize that canonical was right. In reality , there are no "first amendment" issues
            That doesn't seem to match the fact that a) the owner of the site has lawyers supporting his argument, and b) Shuttleworth has backed down, agreeing that the use was legitimate, and blaming an over-enthusiastic new member of their legal team...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Delgarde View Post
              That doesn't seem to match the fact that a) the owner of the site has lawyers supporting his argument, and b) Shuttleworth has backed down, agreeing that the use was legitimate, and blaming an over-enthusiastic new member of their legal team...

              a) The lawyers of that site are obviously biased defending fixubuntu.com , that's what most lawyers do for their clients, is not? so that's irrelevant. They do not have any legal basis to support the way fixubuntu.com was using Canonical's trademark . The "nominative fair use" doctrine they are invoking simply does not applies in this case.

              b) My impression is that MS is being misleading here with his statements . I do not think he is saying that fixubuntu.com was right or that Canonical had no the right to protect its trademarks in this case. All he is saying is that " the less-than-a-month-at-Canonical new guy sent out the toughest template letter[...]It was a mistake..." . He is basically saying that they were not friendly enough with that specific request.

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              • #22
                Good thing it was a mistake. That letter was a very stupid thing to do. I'm glad Canonical thinks the same.

                Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
                Aside of SteamBox, I don't think SteamOS will have huge adoption, as games will keep running on Windows, and games ported to SteamOS will (as far as we know) run on any Linux machine with the Steam Runtime, so Linux users aren't likely to migrate either, again, with the exception of buying a SteamBox.

                And again, people who already migrated to Ubuntu, I'm inclined to think games weren't the deal maker nor the deal breaker for them, as Ubuntu gained almost decent support for games just recently. This means an OS which is mostly target to gaming will be "meh" for them
                I'm very excited for the SteamMachines, as I've always been a console+gamepad gamer more than a PC+mouse+keyboard gamer, and I think it will brings wonders in matters of games, drivers, and kernel features to Linux. I'd deffinitely buy one for my living room and quit trying to play on my laptop. However, of course I would never work on one. I'll probably have a SteamMachine on my TV and take my laptop everywhere else. So one thing doesn't exclude the other: I'll be an Ubuntu and SteamOS user. I'm optimistic SteamOS will have a huge adoption.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Alex Sarmiento View Post
                  My impression is that MS is being misleading here with his statements . I do not think he is saying that fixubuntu.com was right or that Canonical had no the right to protect its trademarks in this case. All he is saying is that " the less-than-a-month-at-Canonical new guy sent out the toughest template letter[...]It was a mistake..." . He is basically saying that they were not friendly enough with that specific request.
                  No, he's clearly saying that Canonical is fine with "Ubuntu sucks!!" websites using their trademarks.

                  Originally posted by Mark Shuttleworth
                  (...) we go even further and explicitly allow the use of our name for elements of satire and mirth around Ubuntu.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by nll_a View Post
                    No, he's clearly saying that Canonical is fine with "Ubuntu sucks!!" websites using their trademarks.
                    Yes, that's clearly stated in their "Intellectual property rights policy" official webpage.:
                    You can use the Trademarks in discussion, commentary, criticism or parody, provided that you do not imply endorsement by Canonical.
                    So? it seems they are not trying to silence criticism . He was also explaining that Canonical have the right to protect their trademarks and that they are constantly working on that .

                    In fact , he is explaining that canonical is quite friendly compared to most companies policies and local law enforcement jurisdictions . So the owner of fixubunt.com have no excuse.
                    Last edited by Alex Sarmiento; 11-10-2013, 05:05 PM. Reason: typos

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                    • #25
                      Lack of transparency, he never mentioned which website it was he talked about, it was Fix Ubuntu.

                      Also what happens to the "new guy at Canonical" ?
                      Nothing?
                      I think he should be fired!
                      He did a huge mistake by abusing laws and attempting to strong-arm critics and caused a PR disaster for Canonical, this guy should be fired for incompetence and malice!

                      Also it begs the question, what kind of people do Canonical really employ?

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                      • #26
                        Official note here: http://blog.canonical.com/2013/11/08...and-criticism/

                        They are explicitely naming fixubuntu.com there. As to the new guy being fired, I think it's more the fault of his superiors who did not explain to him fully their trademark policy, so I don't think there's reason for that. But I do think Micah was right on complaining and asking the EFF to send a message to Canonical.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                          Also what happens to the "new guy at Canonical" ?
                          Nothing?
                          I think he should be fired!
                          He did a huge mistake by abusing laws and attempting to strong-arm critics and caused a PR disaster for Canonical, this guy should be fired for incompetence and malice!
                          The new guy is the new guy, this means he doesn't know how things work there yet. You don't fire people just because they weren't fully trained yet. Also, it is not really know if this counts as abusing law, or if they are actually allowed. The only thing we do know is that their policy is supposed to be laxer than the guy thought.

                          Also it begs the question, what kind of people do Canonical really employ?
                          Nobody knows completely who they employ.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by nll_a View Post
                            I'm very excited for the SteamMachines, as I've always been a console+gamepad gamer more than a PC+mouse+keyboard gamer, and I think it will brings wonders in matters of games, drivers, and kernel features to Linux. I'd deffinitely buy one for my living room and quit trying to play on my laptop. However, of course I would never work on one. I'll probably have a SteamMachine on my TV and take my laptop everywhere else. So one thing doesn't exclude the other: I'll be an Ubuntu and SteamOS user. I'm optimistic SteamOS will have a huge adoption.
                            And that's my whole point. As I said in my first answer on this topic, I do think it will have great success, and greater in numbers than Ubuntu. But I also think this will not affect negatively Ubuntu (i.e., its user base will not shrink because of SteamOS). I am a bit skeptical that it will imply a huge turn on the world or something like that, though.
                            I will not be buying one because I don't have money for it now, but I'd be probably doing the same as you if I had.

                            NOTE: Sorry for the double post, I sent the other one forgetting I had this in another window.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
                              And that's my whole point. As I said in my first answer on this topic, I do think it will have great success, and greater in numbers than Ubuntu. But I also think this will not affect negatively Ubuntu (i.e., its user base will not shrink because of SteamOS). I am a bit skeptical that it will imply a huge turn on the world or something like that, though.
                              Ok, got it. We agree until your last sentence. =)

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                              • #30
                                +1 Mark.

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