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    Phoronix: Parted Magic Is Still Free

    Parted Magic, the popular lightweight live Linux environment for managing hard drive partitions through GParted and Parted, looks like it's now behind a pay wall, but that's not entirely the case...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQzNTI

  • #2
    I've been using Parted Magic for years. To me, it is FAR more useful than just a bootable gparted, it has almost everything you need to repair a computer, and every release of it has more useful improvements. The only thing I wish it had was some sort of GPU artifact test, but I can understand why it doesn't.

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    • #3
      GParted has their own Live CD/USBs, if anyone is in doubt.
      I have used this Live CD to change the size of a NTFS partition, and no problem occured afterwards. GParted is really good software.

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      • #4
        Unfortunately, the only download currently available for the latest 2013_08_10 version is the PXE boot version. I couldn't find the ordinary bootable ISO image on SourceForge.

        FWIW, Parted Magic is one of only two rescue distributions that I know of that provides Clonezilla out of the box, accessible via X. The other one is DRBL Live (http://drbl.org/download/).
        Last edited by hiddenmaverick; 08-13-2013, 10:48 PM.

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        • #5
          I think it is scary if you suddenly have to pay for software you always got for free. Most of the time this means an evil person is taking the free software and asking money for it. It should be much more clear that this money goes to the 'owner' of the software. Also make it clear what the money buys you: this version? a yearlong license? lifetime?

          I get that this doesn't apply to free software but I am afraid that people 'get' commercial software and you should copy websites of commercial software. Smart users will still be able to get it for free. Altruistic users will still be able to donate to their favorite projects.

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          • #6
            I hope the ISO image gets put on SourceForge too.

            Charging for free open source software is alright.

            I think it is a good idea that he put a pay-like wall on the front page. Perhaps a way to bypass it with a <small> link at the bottom of text explaining his situation.
            Also, I think it should be easier to donate to free open source software.

            I want to donate to free software, but I've only donated to GIMP and Firefox so far.
            It should be easier to donate.

            I wish you could donate to free open source software through Ubuntu software store.

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            • #7
              + 1 on the last comment.

              I don't frankly know how or what's different about 'parted magic' . I had used Gparted way back when Ubuntu had started using it ( circa 2k3/4 ) . If memory serves right, they moved to some different partitioning software. For me Gparted was perfect . Can anybody tell/share how parted magic is different ?

              I know with the move to SATA drives and new format (GPT aka Advanced Format), changes to different filesystems etc. there had been many changes in the recent past but for most people they just need a nice GUI telling how to partition or am I being too naive?

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              • #8
                Delayed download business model

                Think if he offered instant download to users who payed.

                Users who don't pay still get to download it, but only after waiting 30 minutes.
                Or get a ticket, then can use the ticket after 24 hours.

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                • #9
                  eeh.. I kind of think the paywall is crappy.

                  I *completely* understand wanting to make income from his hard work.
                  What about the hard work of all of those people who made the tools that parted magic uses? gcc, fdisk, fsck, etc, etc, etc... they don't see a dime of the money he makes. In essence he is doing the same thing those ebay sellers are with the live media. The ebay sellers are charging for the service of burning Parted magic onto a CD. He is charging for the service of combining the tools into a useful boot cd.

                  I think pulling an ubuntu and just having a large "Download and donate x dollars" with a smaller link to download for free would be adequate... Why doesn't he wrap Parted magic in a professional product (pressed cd, etc) and sell that? (as long as he offers the source code of everything GPL for free, he is on the up-and-up)
                  Last edited by kallisti5; 08-14-2013, 02:31 PM.

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                  • #10
                    (Checking if I can delete my own comments.)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                      I hope the ISO image gets put on SourceForge too.
                      I'm pretty sure it was, but I'm not sure if it is anymore.

                      I wish you could donate to free open source software through Ubuntu software store.
                      That actually sounds like a pretty decent idea, with the 1 exception being Canonical would likely try mooching off of the profits in some way.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kallisti5 View Post
                        In essence he is doing the same thing those ebay sellers are with the live media. The ebay sellers are charging for the service of burning Parted magic onto a CD. He is charging for the service of combining the tools into a useful boot cd.
                        The amount of work is vastly different. One burns an ISO on a CD and it ships it, while one spends countless hours to put everything together, test everything, get back to the users that have issues and fix them, add and even code tools on request, and I'm sure the list is larger. Sure it's rather strange to find partedmagic.com with a "pay to download" button while the same page states it's free software AND there's no info about what happened. But we just can't compare the huge amount of work involved in creating Parted Magic with burning an ISO, it's not fair at all.

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                        • #13
                          Few on my income use paywalled anything

                          Originally posted by phoronix View Post
                          Phoronix: Parted Magic Is Still Free

                          Parted Magic, the popular lightweight live Linux environment for managing hard drive partitions through GParted and Parted, looks like it's now behind a pay wall, but that's not entirely the case...

                          http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQzNTI
                          Very glad to see this is not supposd to be an actual paywall but rather an attempt to get people who make big bucks fixing computers for the rich pony up. I'm not sure what makes it available without payment, though. All the source links are present, I suppose you could download all of it from those links and build it yourself (which does constitute free distribution-does Linus Torvald publish binaries or not?).

                          I know this is a very ugly situation, but bad situations can make the thin end of the wedge. As a person who is not employed nor seeking the sort that would be offered to me, I cannot myself consider using anything that is behind a paywall. In this case, I do in fact make my own rescue sticks as someone suggested. In my case, that means an older version of Ubuntu in 32 bit, parted, gparted, LVM, MDMAM, and cryptsetup, plus a partition big enough to handle a dd image of my largest root partition plus the tarball of the last good image. I will probably have to make a 64 bit version at some point as you cannot chroot into a 64 bit OS from a 32 bit Maverick stick.

                          When I encounter a corporate site like a newpaper with a real paywall, I am usually quite aggressive about extracting the content around the paywall. The soft paywalls (number of articles per month, etc) don't work well against heavy anti-tracking where the browser runs in RAM, Ghostery and NoScript work togetger, Flash cookies are cleared every session, and unmounting .mozilla in RAM clears all supercookies(yes, I tested that, so long as Flash cookies are also cleared only browser fingerprinting is a possible but inaccurate workaround).

                          The way I see it, the issue if an actual paywall were erected would not be the personal choice to stop distribution except to paid customers, Rather, the issue would be contributing to the "segregated Internet" between free and paid content. If we ever do have open source software behind paywalls, newpapers will turn around and say "see, even the free software people do it." I'd rather see the Washington Post shuttered than have their paywall suceed (they've already been sold). My guess is lots of people agree-and rightly or wrongly fear that Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, even Debian could be next, and everyone who does not want to pay would have to fork the last free version and maintain from source from then on.

                          Perhaps the answer would have been to have a current and supported version that does not go on the website, sold on disk or uploaded somewhere for one time download, and an older unsupported version on the website, sort of the inverse of RHEL vs Fedora. Folks like myself that "don't do pay" could simply ignore the paid version the way we ignore RHEL.
                          Last edited by Luke; 08-15-2013, 03:39 AM.

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                          • #14
                            My query is/was still not answered. Any diff. (visual or otherwise) between parted magic and gparted or are they the same thing ?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by shirish View Post
                              My query is/was still not answered. Any diff. (visual or otherwise) between parted magic and gparted or are they the same thing ?
                              Parted Magic is the name of the distribution that includes Parted and many other essential software for data rescue + stuff. If Parted is what you need, it's the same you would find in any distro, but Parted Magic is a very useful distro for many reasons so it's worth giving in a shot.

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