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  • #16
    Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
    If he was that highly trained, it's doubtful he killed the guy "accidentally".

    There was a similar case here in the US, where some guy came upon a guy in the middle of raping his daughter, and he killed the guy. Admitted it to the police. I'm not sure whatever happened to that case, but there was obviously a fair amount of support for him to just let him go free, and there were others arguing that you had to follow the rule of law, just beat the shit out of the guy and let the police take him away instead of killing him.

    Which reinforces my reasoning... at least give the guy a chance to surrender otherwise your commiting a crime of passion. Of course if he then continued being violent you'd have to make the call if you can't handle the situation safely you may have to shoot a bit more lethally. Maybe the guy ought to die but that isn't for us to decide that said we do have right to protect ourselves and others you just have to make sure you don't go too far.

    Here in NC we have a Stand Your Ground law that protects homeowners who shoot intruders now if they guy is running away across your yard.... you gotta let him go.

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    • #17
      Alright

      Originally posted by inteIIivision
      Do you really think that banning gun ownership is going to stop this sort of thing?

      Look at Australia, their so proud of their so proud of their retarded draconian gun laws. But once a month in Sydney, New South Wales, there are always one or two drive by shoots once a month showing that their gun banning laws are useless.

      Also, there are many other countries that ban guns and still have much higher rates of homicide involving guns.
      Firstly, since you seem to have just made this account for this thread(be you someone else on this forum or not) and appear to have some hate for Australia (of which no-one in this thread from Australia said anything about the US or you) I would like to say Fuck You, on behalf of my country, for your lovely opinions on us.

      A comparison: Per 100,000 population, in the US (2010), 10 (10.26) people were killed by firearms, compared to 1(1.06) in Australia. That's approx 10x the difference. I'm sure that's a statistical anomaly.

      Now I'm not arguing that you shouldn't, or can't have Guns in the US, but I will take offence at your attack on Australia, since for us, this has worked out quite well.

      As one American Gun Lobby spokesman/head (stupidly) said, if guns aren't the problem, then people are. So perhaps have a go at your own (assuming American) people then, rather than mine. After all, they are the ones that seem to shoot 10x more people than we do.

      A nice comparison chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

      US Gun Info: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states
      AU Gun Info: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia

      To the rest of the people's here conversation, no offense was intended at you, my apologies if any was taken :/

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      • #18
        Originally posted by zeealpal View Post
        Firstly, since you seem to have just made this account for this thread(be you someone else on this forum or not) and appear to have some hate for Australia (of which no-one in this thread from Australia said anything about the US or you) I would like to say Fuck You, on behalf of my country, for your lovely opinions on us.

        A comparison: Per 100,000 population, in the US (2010), 10 (10.26) people were killed by firearms, compared to 1(1.06) in Australia. That's approx 10x the difference. I'm sure that's a statistical anomaly.

        Now I'm not arguing that you shouldn't, or can't have Guns in the US, but I will take offence at your attack on Australia, since for us, this has worked out quite well.

        As one American Gun Lobby spokesman/head (stupidly) said, if guns aren't the problem, then people are. So perhaps have a go at your own (assuming American) people then, rather than mine. After all, they are the ones that seem to shoot 10x more people than we do.

        A nice comparison chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

        US Gun Info: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states
        AU Gun Info: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia

        To the rest of the people's here conversation, no offense was intended at you, my apologies if any was taken :/
        The problem with that statement is that going per capita on the Union rather than the State level is like saying the crime rate in all of europe per capita is X. Due to differing laws and regulations across the states crime levels are different, and some areas like Chicago and NYC have particularly bad crime rates and notably very tight regulation on firearms. Feel free to make a comparison on a state by state level, but don't mistake the Union for being a country, the states are all their own nations bound by the rules of the union much as the E.U. is not a country but a union of european nations.

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        • #19
          Sorry, you must have misread the AU for EU, I was referring to Australia, I didn't mention the EU.

          I was comparing Australia as a whole (since we have 1 standardized set of gun laws) to the US, I do see your point of comparing at a lower level, but there isn't really much lover to compare with from here

          Also, what surprised me when I learnt about how Australia changed its gun laws, was that BOTH sides of the political parties supported the changes, the federal and opposition, so there was no arguing for the sake of a political point. Its rare that both political parties ever work together :P

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          • #20
            Originally posted by zeealpal View Post
            Sorry, you must have misread the AU for EU, I was referring to Australia, I didn't mention the EU.

            I was comparing Australia as a whole (since we have 1 standardized set of gun laws) to the US, I do see your point of comparing at a lower level, but there isn't really much lover to compare with from here

            Also, what surprised me when I learnt about how Australia changed its gun laws, was that BOTH sides of the political parties supported the changes, the federal and opposition, so there was no arguing for the sake of a political point. Its rare that both political parties ever work together :P
            Well I did see it was Australia you were talking about, but I felt it was better to go with the European Union rather than the British Commonwealth for the sake of argument, because it's a better analogue for what the US is.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by inteIIivision
              In US, most robbers hold you at gun point and demand your stuff.

              In Aus, most robbers just shoot you first then take your stuff.

              The difference is because robbers in the US know that if they fire their weapon and kill you, they'll bound to be shot by someone else. But in Australia, there's no one else arm with guns, so their literally the boss and shooting the person then take his stuff is much faster that holding him up and demanding him.
              In Bulgaria if you kill your own dog, you can stay in the jail for 5 years. If a group of thieves enter at your home at midnight, they will sue if you, if you attack them.
              But on the bright side, you can be killed like a dog by group of gypsies, and they won't stay in the jail, even for a minute!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by zeealpal View Post
                Firstly, since you seem to have just made this account for this thread(be you someone else on this forum or not) and appear to have some hate for Australia (of which no-one in this thread from Australia said anything about the US or you) I would like to say Fuck You, on behalf of my country, for your lovely opinions on us.

                A comparison: Per 100,000 population, in the US (2010), 10 (10.26) people were killed by firearms, compared to 1(1.06) in Australia. That's approx 10x the difference. I'm sure that's a statistical anomaly.

                Now I'm not arguing that you shouldn't, or can't have Guns in the US, but I will take offence at your attack on Australia, since for us, this has worked out quite well.

                As one American Gun Lobby spokesman/head (stupidly) said, if guns aren't the problem, then people are. So perhaps have a go at your own (assuming American) people then, rather than mine. After all, they are the ones that seem to shoot 10x more people than we do.

                A nice comparison chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

                US Gun Info: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states
                AU Gun Info: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia

                To the rest of the people's here conversation, no offense was intended at you, my apologies if any was taken :/
                Certainly nothing wrong with defending your countries honor. I do all the time.

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                • #23
                  I don't think the problem in the US is legal gun ownership. Of course sometimes people do die by legal guns. But I'd be willing to argue that a far larger percentage of Americans die by black market illegal guns.

                  I'm not certain what the facts are, but now I'm more interested then ever to learn them.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by zeealpal View Post
                    Firstly, since you seem to have just made this account for this thread(be you someone else on this forum or not) and appear to have some hate for Australia (of which no-one in this thread from Australia said anything about the US or you) I would like to say Fuck You, on behalf of my country, for your lovely opinions on us.
                    Yeah, I'm responsible for all of that.
                    I hurt that i386reapers/openSLOWARIS/LINUXANALSBSD guy's ego and now he feels that the appropriate response is to try and imitate me and drag my name through the mud.

                    I kind of feel honoured that someone cares so much about me though.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by duby229 View Post
                      And the dumbass only got 15 bucks and I got a real good picture of him on the security camera. Dealing with the police was just about as big a pain in the ass as dealing with the robber though. They made me feel as if I had been the one that had done something wrong. I felt like I was being interrogated. I seriously doubt this guy will ever have to answer for pointing a gun at me.
                      Does this happen a lot where you live or is it something extraordinary to get robbed?

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                      • #26
                        Glad you're okay duby, hope the guy gets caught.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
                          Well I did see it was Australia you were talking about, but I felt it was better to go with the European Union rather than the British Commonwealth for the sake of argument, because it's a better analogue for what the US is.
                          Ahh yep, sorry I get what you meant.

                          Originally posted by intellivision View Post
                          Yeah, I'm responsible for all of that.
                          I hurt that i386reapers/openSLOWARIS/LINUXANALSBSD guy's ego and now he feels that the appropriate response is to try and imitate me and drag my name through the mud.

                          I kind of feel honoured that someone cares so much about me though.
                          What does any of that have to do with me? I have no hate nor love for BSD/Solaris, I don't care about them either way.

                          As for why you seem do dislike/hate Australia, I don't know, I'm sorry that you feel that way.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by intellivision View Post
                            Yeah, I'm responsible for all of that.
                            I hurt that i386reapers/openSLOWARIS/LINUXANALSBSD guy's ego and now he feels that the appropriate response is to try and imitate me and drag my name through the mud.

                            I kind of feel honoured that someone cares so much about me though.
                            There are 6 people in this forum whom i hold in very high regard and you're one of them.

                            You'll realize that I never even bothered to respond to the clone. And apparently he's also taken to impersonating another one of the 6 in my list.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by zeealpal View Post
                              Ahh yep, sorry I get what you meant.



                              What does any of that have to do with me? I have no hate nor love for BSD/Solaris, I don't care about them either way.

                              As for why you seem do dislike/hate Australia, I don't know, I'm sorry that you feel that way.

                              There is a guy in this thread inteIIivision that has been imitating intellivision, Please direct your response to the guy that actually made those posts. I reported the imitator.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
                                Can you think of any other country that legalizes civilian gun ownership?
                                You really should have done a quick check of Wikipedia before asking such a silly question.

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