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  • Windows is dying

    I was tired of reading the forum about FreeBSD dying. The obvious fact is that Windows is dying.

  • #2
    True.

    In two months Windows 8 was only able to accumulate 2% desktop market share.

    Wait... isn't that double what all the Linux distros have combined after two decades of work?

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    • #3
      I particularly liked the news headline about how Win8 is behind Vista adoption at the same time after launch of each.

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      • #4
        Windows is not dying. But it is rapidly becoming less relevant.
        Asymco reported on this already a year ago: http://www.asymco.com/2012/01/17/the...nal-computing/

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        • #5
          Windows will die when pigs grow wings and fly.

          Just Visual Studio, Microsoft SQL Server and Active Directory are more than enough to keep Windows alive as both a client and server operating system for another two decades at the very least. And those are only 3 of many other top-grade Windows-only software that Microsoft has published for Windows.

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          • #6
            oh lawd

            How stupid can you get?
            http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/01/...with-microsoft

            Anti-Trust anyone? The only modernization they need is Ubuntu.

            Wait a minute, Buzz Wordy is on the horn telling me everything is magically possible with Server 2012 and SharePoint.

            Country is going to shit.

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            • #7
              Windows will die when pigs grow wings and fly

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              • #8
                your argument proves the point

                Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
                Windows will die when pigs grow wings and fly.

                Just Visual Studio, Microsoft SQL Server and Active Directory are more than enough to keep Windows alive as both a client and server operating system for another two decades at the very least. And those are only 3 of many other top-grade Windows-only software that Microsoft has published for Windows.
                They call it "the legacy effect" or "coasting" or "rely on customers with long development cycles".

                By this same criterion FORTRAN and COBOL are still "very much alive". There is lots and lots of "top-grade COBOL-only software" out there. "Top grade" means it's been 10 years since anyone has found a bug in it.

                "top-grade Windows-only software" = same old same old attempt to "lock in" customers. SCREW industry standards, SCREW the customer too! Hint: the customer is learning!

                Really if what you say is best argument you have, you are basically agreeing: Windows is in the same state as COBOL and FORTRAN.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by frantaylor View Post
                  They call it "the legacy effect" or "coasting" or "rely on customers with long development cycles".

                  By this same criterion FORTRAN and COBOL are still "very much alive". There is lots and lots of "top-grade COBOL-only software" out there. "Top grade" means it's been 10 years since anyone has found a bug in it.

                  "top-grade Windows-only software" = same old same old attempt to "lock in" customers. SCREW industry standards, SCREW the customer too! Hint: the customer is learning!

                  Really if what you say is best argument you have, you are basically agreeing: Windows is in the same state as COBOL and FORTRAN.
                  My job is to get things working as expected of me. What you see as 'legacy effect' is what the real world calls 'staying with what always works'.

                  I can't be bothered to give a flying rat's rear if it involves getting locked in and spitting in the face of established standards. If I use Product A and it's supplier (let's called it Supplier A) happens to publish a crapton of good, powerful proprietary software that are specially designed to work with and only with Product A, i'd be crazy NOT to use it. Take the religious war over standards away from where I am; I don't welcome it one bit.


                  If Product A and Supplier A are in really deep trouble there will be clear signs of its struggling to remain relevant. And right now Microsoft is no where near struggling with its gigantic hegemony that Windows and its enterprise umbrella of software applications that it is sitting on. Just for the record, Windows Server 2012 is proving unexpectedly popular with its integrated Hyper-V solutions and Microsoft is having enough troubles scheduling enough conferences and demonstrations for WS 2012 simply because the response is much greater than expected. I have been locked out of registering for WS 2012 events for so many times now because all available places have been completely snapped up before I could even make my reservation. And just a few months back Microsoft's SQL Server 2012 won an award for Best RDBMS or something along those lines. And anybody who has used Windows 8 with a Start launcher replacement has got nothing but good things to say about the new operating system.

                  If that's what you call a dying business I'd want to be part of that business for the next 2 decades. And anybody who thinks that Microsoft's business only consists of client versions of Windows is clearly living in the 90s.

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                  • #10
                    Just let Aaron Contorer, senior management Microsoft's head of C++ development, speak:
                    Originally posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft#Vendor_lock-in
                    The Windows API is so broad, so deep, and so functional that most Independent Software Vendors would be crazy not to use it. And it is so deeply embedded in the source code of many Windows apps that there is a huge switching cost to using a different operating system instead... It is this switching cost that has given the customers the patience to stick with Windows through all our mistakes, our buggy drivers, our high TCO (total cost of ownership), our lack of a sexy vision at times, and many other difficulties [...] Customers constantly evaluate other desktop platforms, [but] it would be so much work to move over that they hope we just improve Windows rather than force them to move. In short, without this exclusive franchise called the Windows API, we would have been dead a long time ago.
                    Of course windows will not die in the near future but for some reason they got so much public criticism in the last few months that there is a real chance that they lose enough so that linux can get actually significant "market share".

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
                      I can't be bothered to give a flying rat's rear if it involves getting locked in and spitting in the face of established standards. If I use Product A and it's supplier (let's called it Supplier A) happens to publish a crapton of good, powerful proprietary software that are specially designed to work with and only with Product A, i'd be crazy NOT to use it. Take the religious war over standards away from where I am; I don't welcome it one bit.
                      When, not if, you need to move away from Supplier A and its locked-in solutions, this will come back to bite you with costs well over what it would have cost to use standards in the first place.

                      There is nothing religious in that, it's pure finances.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by squirrl View Post
                        I was tired of reading the forum about FreeBSD dying. The obvious fact is that Windows is dying.
                        Computer OS market share by Goldman Sachs (using data of computer industry and retail business)

                        1. Android Linux 42%
                        2. Apple OS 24%
                        3. Windows 20%
                        4. Others 14% (including some other Linux distros like Mint, Mageia, Ubuntu, Fedora, SUSE, Arch, Debian etc....)


                        There are couple of things people should stop talking:

                        1. The myth of "1% Linux". Most of statistics maintaining that myth are pay-per-click surveys, just like Net Application...
                        2. Computer is not PC. Smartphone, tablets and ARM-devices are computers too. Over 70% of latest new computers are mobiles, non-mobiles share is shrinking all the time. In 2013 hardly more than 20% of new devices are traditional laptops or desktops.

                        I would say that even Goldman Sachs figures are too conservative. Android Linux has already 70% of mobiles, and mobiles got 70% of new devices. Surely Android got some 49-51% of markets of new devices sold in Nov-Dec 2012. That's the real situation in IT world now.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by johnc View Post
                          Wait... isn't that double what all the Linux distros have combined after two decades of work?
                          There is one little difference: M$ could enforce OEMs to do what they want under risk of losing some preferences and "discounts". Which effectively means that MS could seriously wreck OEM's business if OEM refuses to play under rules from MS. As the result, each and every OEM sells most of PCs/notebooks with Windows preinstalled. And MS requires to preinstall Win8 these days. So it doomed to gain some market share because... because it's gettings quite a troublesome to buy PC or notebook without win8 crap. Linux is not distributed these ways. And "defaults will prevail", you know.

                          However there is something interesting:
                          1) 2% indicates that nobody has been excited about this OS. It's really a crap. People only buy it when some hardware fails and they have to replace. Then they eat this crap due to lack of other options.
                          2) PC market is no match to mobile markets these days. That's where M$ has epically failed. WinPhone7/8? WinRT? Oh, they should rename it to EPIC FAIL.
                          3) All this causes M$ empire to collapse. At the end of day they're losing ability to control OEMs. They're starting to prefer android and other things. Because they can't have good margins with win8 anyway due to market saturation and problematic OS look and feel.

                          Sure, Titanic can't sunk in just a minute. It's way too huge. Yet it looks like if they've already hit their iceberg.
                          Last edited by 0xBADCODE; 01-06-2013, 12:59 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by johnc View Post
                            True.

                            In two months Windows 8 was only able to accumulate 2% desktop market share.

                            Wait... isn't that double what all the Linux distros have combined after two decades of work?



                            Last time I remember, Linux together with dual installations, has 10% of desktops and laptops. If you count tablets and smartphones (android, eventually from a java toy, will be a full C++ distribution, LLVM based probably), Linux(GPL) just destroys closed (Windows and Mac) and BSD semi-closed things all together.

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                            • #15
                              nonsense

                              Originally posted by artivision View Post
                              Last time I remember, Linux together with dual installations, has 10% of desktops and laptops. If you count tablets and smartphones (android, eventually from a java toy, will be a full C++ distribution, LLVM based probably), Linux(GPL) just destroys closed (Windows and Mac) and BSD semi-closed things all together.
                              Either all your friends are geeks or just looks around. There is no way that 1/10 th is linux maybe 1/30 or so. In fact most of my non geek friends dont run it. I dont even "force" them because I know that they want to play games and linux is mess. Only if they use facebook and watch youtube then I recomend using linux.

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