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  • Originally posted by peperoni View Post
    Even to access to the FSF web page you use a Web browser and them all without exception track people's toughts, preferences, behabiours, etc!
    No. Just no. Hell no.

    Most web browsers (the open source ones, anyway) do not track you. The webpages you visit do. You can choose to avoid them.

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    • Originally posted by peperoni View Post
      - Now, the only rational explication is that Linux is evil, so we MUST move from Linux.
      Use FreeBSD then. Like all we smart people do.

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      • Originally posted by asdx
        You haven't answered my question, and instead you choose to bash a project that is completely unrelated to this whole discussion. But luckily, morons like you have zero influence in projects like nouveau, and nouveau is here to stay, so fuck off.
        So you earlier sort of still want me to answer your question but in the end you tell me not to because you want me to "fuck off". We'll I guess I'm gonna have to take the lead and decide for you, which I take it probably even you managed to understand already (and by the way, Nouveau, it's _not_ unrelated but then again, you wouldn't understand that, now would you)?

        So here, let us start before the vast amount of information received blocks the passages to your brain once again, after which you are unable to receive any at all.

        So, the fact that searches in Nautilus or whatever send some optional strings to Amazon to display ads for you is the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard to actually stop using or recommending the whole distribution.

        Ubuntu is free. It doesn't cost you sh*t. Unity is free. It costs you f*cking nothing. I don't like either (piece of software, if that wasn't clear) but the fact that they've decided to get some revenue through ads or arrangements with other companies is _perfectly_ fine. They deserve the money they've put into the project they still haven't retrieved (or Shuttleworth hasn't, I'm not sure about the whole executive setup there).

        I'm not arguing about his definition of "spyware". What Ubuntu does is clearly spying but it's like the least severe type there is (but I guess you didn't read past the title anyway). It's not even a keylogger. If they logged users browsing strings too (etc. passwords and credit card numbers) then it'd definitely be something he'd have to worry about. But you see, it's not.

        And about Nouveau, the reason I brought it up is because it seems to affect every opinion you have. Yes, the project is quite nice but I'm not planning to put it on my system any time soon. The fact that we have people like you advocating it is great but the fact that you go so _far_ as to say things like "fuck nvidia and their shitty driver" is not so. In fact, it suddenly means nobody listens to you anymore. Or they do but don't take you seriously. You decide which one you settle with. I don't know of a single thing where Nouveau would actually have gained to Nvidia so much that it would be even better. KMS maybe but everything else? Power management, stability (crashes, lockups) and most of all, performance? Nvidia has these issues as well (everyone does) but in a much smaller scale. That's why we use it. You don't. No one gives a shit.

        Originally posted by asdx
        So you prove you have zero creativity in even choosing a name for you, that just gives me the impression that you are a clueless brainless sheep. I guess that's why you weren't able to answer my question properly.
        Yes. My heart is bleeding. You stabbed it and took it away!

        Ok, enough. First off, I wasn't talking to you but I can understand your deep troubles in reading the name in the quote box. Some of us just can't do it. Secondly, the "zero creativity" thing you came up with (which made me laugh, by the way) is just ridiculous because what you're actually saying there is that if a person can't come up with a decent name on his own it suddenly means he's somehow "a clueless sheep". So looking back at the nickname you just gave me maybe sounds just a tad bit ironic. And thirdly, you could've just read the actual blog post to satisfy your curiosity, if it was that important. Or maybe you did, which means you're an idiot.

        But hey, that's just me. I have my opinions and you have your own. You've certainly unleashed the stupidest ones into the wild. Or maybe you disagree. I'm just suggesting that you won't.

        Originally posted by Cthulhux View Post
        Use FreeBSD then. Like all we smart people do.
        There is nothing interesting in your little FreeBSD that just about anybody would prefer to actually replace the OS the person has as it is. Cry about it all you like but the fact that the reasons you guys give for the advantages of BSD are just so ridiculous that they're not even funny. It should probably kind of tip you off.
        Last edited by ArchLinux; 12-10-2012, 10:13 AM.

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        • Originally posted by peperoni View Post
          And yes Ubuntu is spyware, not only because they agreed with Amazon to incorporate Amazon search in their pannels, but because they bundle the most advanced piece of software to track user movements: The Web Browser.
          You're confused. When one opens the web browser, he/she knows that one is online.
          Ubuntu is spyware because nobody tells the user beforehand that perceived offline searches are in fact transmitted online.

          That said, it would be nice when distributors bundled Ghostery, a privacy Firefox extension.
          Last edited by Awesomeness; 12-10-2012, 10:12 AM. Reason: typo

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          • As much as I dislike ubuntu (and amazon search is only PART of the reason why), stallman is obviously not taking his meds.

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            • Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
              That said, it would be nice when distributors bundled Ghostery, a privacy Firefox extension.
              But, last time I checked, Firefox already includes a private browsing mode like that out of the box?

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              • Originally posted by ArchLinux View Post
                the fact that the reasons you guys give for the advantages of BSD are just so ridiculous that they're not even funny. It should probably kind of tip you off.
                Well, no, it does not.

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                • Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                  11 pages of rants and stupidity....
                  You should post less.

                  Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                  Stallman has absolutely no right to degrade canonical or tell people what to do or what to think.
                  It's called 'voicing your opinion' and yes he has every right to do so, same as everyone else.

                  Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                  When he himself knows that his words will be posted all over popular tech and science sites like ars and the like... he knows just how damaging his statements can be and WTF does he hope to accomplish with them?
                  It's up to people to choose to listen and agree/disagree.

                  Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                  If you aren't willing to compromise then you can't really use the internet... hey you think that ad up there in the right corner is not keeping a cookie and tracking you?
                  But that is the thing, YOU are the one who decides when to compromise. If someone _chooses_ to use Ubuntu with Amazon spying on their search results then that's just fine. However making sure that people know what that means before making that choice is important, and it's a damn shame that Ubuntu didn't go upfront about this and actually make it an opt-in choice with full explanation during installation.

                  And yes I can use the internet without compromising, and I can choose to compromise on MY terms. There's a reason plugins like adblock,flashblock,noscripts etc are so incredibly popular.

                  Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                  THEY HAVE A BIG SHINY BUTTON RIGHT ON THE SYSTEM CONTROL PANEL CALLED 'PRIVACY' IT TAKES 5 SECS TO CLICK IT AND SHUT IT OFF.
                  That button only became reality AFTER people caused a shitstorm, so now they hope a shutoff button in the preferences will placate their users. I hope it doesn't and that this becomes an opt-in choice during installation/first bootup where it belongs.

                  I don't know WTF they were thinking, they've ruined a large part of their image on the way they've handled this.

                  Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                  you can blame canonical for this as much as you can blame phoronix for showing ads so the mere fact you are posting here makes you an hypocrite
                  You're not even making a lick of sense. When I come here I make a conscious choice of visiting this webpage, when I search my local files I'm not making a conscious choice of sending my search results to Amazon.

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                  • Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                    You're confused. When one opens the web browser, he/she knows that one is online.
                    Users in general don't know anything about security and what is even worse is that they don't want to know nothing about computers and security, so putting a web browser in their hands is the perfect tool to know how they think, what they do, what products they demand and why. All OSs include web browsers including Linux, and if exposing user data is spyware (as the Ubuntu case), evil or whatever you want to call it then Linux in general is as spyware (or evil) than Ubuntu, Microsoft or Mac OS, and Stallman is an hypocrite! If Stallman didn't made such absurd statements, as in the case of Ubuntu, then it wouldn't exist so different judgements depending on his favourite distros.
                    Last edited by peperoni; 12-10-2012, 12:17 PM. Reason: type

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                    • Originally posted by Cthulhux View Post
                      Use FreeBSD then. Like all we smart people do.
                      Why would anyone ever use this MORON OS? It's made by idiots for idiots and freebsd is almost the worst bsd.

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                      • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                        No. Just no. Hell no.

                        Most web browsers (the open source ones, anyway) do not track you. The webpages you visit do. You can choose to avoid them.
                        Web browsers are the catalyst that allow you to use Google search (or any other search engine) that in the end is the way to know what you do everytime you visit your web pages, the problem is that you ignored it!!!

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                        • Originally posted by ArchLinux View Post
                          There is nothing interesting in your little FreeBSD that just about anybody would prefer to actually replace the OS the person has as it is. Cry about it all you like but the fact that the reasons you guys give for the advantages of BSD are just so ridiculous that they're not even funny. It should probably kind of tip you off.
                          There's not even a single advantage in a tinny bsd world. The most funny thing related to bsd zealots is DragonflyBSD proving it's much faster when using Linux principles. It outperforms freebsd by a very large margin and shows all of the freebsd benchmarks are worthless. It's an only bsd that deserves attention and its developers deserve kudos, because they're sane and friendly unlike jerks from freebsd.

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                          • Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
                            Why would anyone ever use this MORON OS? It's made by idiots for idiots and freebsd is almost the worst bsd.
                            Actually, no.

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                            • OMG even bsd users posting


                              WHAT FAIL IS THIS?????



                              this thread can get up to 20 pages long

                              the facts will still remain

                              -shuttleworth will monetize ubuntu, either you like it or not

                              -stallman will keep trolling

                              -phoronix cunts will write 30 pages about it.



                              Me, not being retarded, have enough inteligence to recognize that there needs to be corporate involvement and money being throw at linux development for it to start being more than a OS for phoronix cunts.


                              canonical can turn ubuntu into adware central OS with amazon in the wallpaper, AND I'M STILL GOING TO USE IT. They need to make a little money and I need a OS, quid pro quo.


                              you don't like it? follow that fail whale up there and download bsd

                              or better yet haiku os... I heard that one has no spyware or adware... I don't even think it has any -ware at all lol

                              stallman must love it

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                              • There is no adware in BSD either.

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