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  • #61
    Originally posted by D0pamine View Post
    one is shit and the other is not, it really is that simple!
    Where's my high-quality hardware deinterlaced and hardware decoded video with the nouveau driver? Not there. I also can't use nouveau on my old laptop, because it fries the graphic card, I've seen the temp go up to 90 degrees. So I could say "one is shit and the other is not" but which is which would be the opposite of how you meant it. It really is that simple, right?
    (PS. I don't think nouveau is shit. But nevertheless, it's not in a state that I could use it).


    Originally posted by ElderSnake View Post
    Anyway, more to original topic (which not surprisingly has deviated way off ), I'm excited about looking for hardware that actually supports Linux or at least is well supported in the Linux world. For years, like many people I imagine, I've always had hardware that was originally just your typical Windows PC, gaming system etc which I chucked Linux distros on.
    Which, credit to how far Linux hardware support has come, has always worked fine for me. But I've never actually aimed to buy hardware known to be completely compatible with Linux.
    Very similar here. And because of this there will be no "holiday shopping" for me even though I'd like a new netbook. But I'm not buying CedarView stuff.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by deanjo View Post
      I use technology that works for me. If <insert name of unhelpful corporate giant> or <insert name of unhelpful individual foss contributer> doesn't create technology that is useful to me then I don't use it simple as that.



      I do use Apple stuff when it does the job that I need it to do, same with my using of linux, windows, bsd. If it doesn't work to my needs I don't use that technology for that task. Simple as that. I really could care less about the politics of any of them.
      So you don't care of freedom. If everyone were like you, then there would be no other choise than to use what $ and apple chose to push on the markets to maximise their profits. You could of course still say you have freedom to chose what you use.

      Luckily there were enough people to make the difference. They cared of freedom, and thanks to them we have Free Operating System clean of spyware and artificial restrictions, which you can use to do whatever you want.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Gusar View Post
        Where's my high-quality hardware deinterlaced and hardware decoded video with the nouveau driver? Not there. I also can't use nouveau on my old laptop, because it fries the graphic card, I've seen the temp go up to 90 degrees. So I could say "one is shit and the other is not" but which is which would be the opposite of how you meant it. It really is that simple, right?
        (PS. I don't think nouveau is shit. But nevertheless, it's not in a state that I could use it).


        Very similar here. And because of this there will be no "holiday shopping" for me even though I'd like a new netbook. But I'm not buying CedarView stuff.
        and yet your incredibly highly tuned consumer products cannot do simple kernel mode switching using the proprietary drivers

        I do believe the issues you have with the nouveau driver are caused by lack of information released by the corporate giant rather than the free way of doing things which infact has created the rest of the system you are using

        Dear santa
        I want a raspberry pi and a remote controlled helicopter so i can create my very own UAV

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        • #64
          Originally posted by D0pamine View Post
          and yet your incredibly highly tuned consumer products cannot do simple kernel mode switching using the proprietary drivers
          You should inform yourself better. Nvidia has had modesetting in the kernel since way before KMS existed. (cue the predictable "how come there's no high-res console then" - that's about something different from modesetting, search the forums, I've had this discussion before already).

          Then, the processor you're using in your machine is also a "highly tuned consumer product". Same for the hard-drive and other components. So, how does it feel to be an "arse kissing" consumer?

          Originally posted by D0pamine View Post
          I do believe the issues you have with the nouveau driver are caused by lack of information released by the corporate giant rather than the free way of doing things which infact has created the rest of the system you are using
          The radeon driver isn't in any better position. But whatever the reasons - fact is that a proprietary solution is in some cases better. There's more examples than graphics drivers, but I won't go into them, not relevant. Your point was that "proprietary is shit, it's that simple". Now you're acknowledging that open drivers are missing something. Does not seem that "simple" anymore, does it?

          But do troll on.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Gusar View Post
            You should inform yourself better. Nvidia has had modesetting in the kernel since way before KMS existed. (cue the predictable "how come there's no high-res console then" - that's about something different from modesetting, search the forums, I've had this discussion before already).

            Then, the processor you're using in your machine is also a "highly tuned consumer product". Same for the hard-drive and other components. So, how does it feel to be an "arse kissing" consumer?

            The radeon driver isn't in any better position. But whatever the reasons - fact is that a proprietary solution is in some cases better. There's more examples than graphics drivers, but I won't go into them, not relevant. Your point was that "proprietary is shit, it's that simple". Now you're acknowledging that open drivers are missing something. Does not seem that "simple" anymore, does it?

            But do troll on.
            fuck off dickhead!

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            • #66
              The key

              Eldersnake said: "Microsoft wants people to to think this way and be utterly dependant on their products; we all know about that lovely thing called vendor lock-in. And that troubles me."

              Yes, that's the key. One of the best ways to get money from customers is keeping them captive, not letting them choose later. It's like the first "free dose" from drug dealers, they make it easy to get in, but very difficult to get out. That wouldn't happen if people thought about long term.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by D0pamine View Post
                fuck off dickhead!
                Ah, the crux of internet debate.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Gusar View Post
                  Ah, the crux of internet debate.

                  what debate - you're just translating keystrokes into bullshit in order to preserve your world view

                  you mentioned that nvidia had modesetting before kms? are you referring to uvesafb? this had nothing to do with nvidia or anyone from nvidia - this was the work of a very clever gentoo developer who goes by the name spock

                  as for hardware yes i do 'consume' hardware however i do not wave a flag supporting <insert corporate giant> out of some mental deficiency. I use hardware in ways that might not necessarily be as how the manufacturer intended it to be used. For me to alter how hardware is used I must have the source code for the software and if i'm using closed sourced software I cannot change the software to suit my needs by definition

                  the fact that some gpu manufacturers choose not to publish details on how their hardware works cripples development of free drivers so blame <insert corporate giant> instead of frequenting an open sourced leaning forum and having a typing argument about the virtues of closed sourced software.... and YOU call me a troll? hahaha you dick-taster!

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Nth_man View Post
                    Eldersnake said: "Microsoft wants people to to think this way and be utterly dependant on their products; we all know about that lovely thing called vendor lock-in. And that troubles me."

                    Yes, that's the key. One of the best ways to get money from customers is keeping them captive, not letting them choose later. It's like the first "free dose" from drug dealers, they make it easy to get in, but very difficult to get out. That wouldn't happen if people thought about long term.
                    Yea, that's literally the whole idea behind Microsoft DreamSpark.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by D0pamine View Post
                      you mentioned that nvidia had modesetting before kms? are you referring to uvesafb?
                      Dude, your ignorance is showing. Might wanna look into that. No, I'm not talking about uvesafb.

                      You're completely ignorant, and yet you feel you're in the position to call others "mentally deficient" and other colorful phrases. So yeah, I do call you a troll. Because it's what you are. You've got nothing. Except colorful expressions.

                      (cue another post with even more colorful expressions. come on, let it all out...)

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Gusar View Post
                        Dude, your ignorance is showing. Might wanna look into that. No, I'm not talking about uvesafb.

                        You're completely ignorant, and yet you feel you're in the position to call others "mentally deficient" and other colorful phrases. So yeah, I do call you a troll. Because it's what you are. You've got nothing. Except colorful expressions.

                        (cue another post with even more colorful expressions. come on, let it all out...)
                        so what are you talking about? i'm talking about being able to alter things to suit what i want to do - not what some corporation says i should do

                        come on mr logic

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by D0pamine View Post
                          so what are you talking about?
                          I clearly said in post #64 that I've already covered this stuff before, so you should search the forums.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Gusar View Post
                            I clearly said in post #64 that I've already covered this stuff before, so you should search the forums.
                            its terrible when you have to keep repeating yourself - enjoy your call of battlefield 5 and i hope you find happiness in your consumer life

                            EDIT: and please make the most of wayland - i'm sure it'll work well with those proprietary drivers

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by D0pamine View Post
                              its terrible when you have to keep repeating yourself
                              It really is. Because ignorant people like you keep spewing the same old stuff.

                              Originally posted by D0pamine View Post
                              and please make the most of wayland - i'm sure it'll work well with those proprietary drivers
                              But of course it will. When Wayland becomes the best tool for the job (right now it's far, far away from that), there will be proprietary drivers working with it.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Gusar View Post
                                It really is. Because ignorant people like you keep spewing the same old stuff.

                                But of course it will. When Wayland becomes the best tool for the job (right now it's far, far away from that), there will be proprietary drivers working with it.
                                the point is that if everyone had your world view and used proprietary graphics drivers because they provide the best performance on call of battlefield peekaboo edition and give give openCL capability then wayland would never have been thought of

                                consumers use binaries - zealots and devs use source code

                                if you cannot grasp this simple concept then perhaps you should find a different hobby?

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