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  • #76
    Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
    Does not really matter - my point is not that Linux is the best gaming platform, but whether or not games are available for it. Again, stop changing the focus of the original statement.
    I'm not changing the original statement. You are just reading more into it then how it was intended. It was meant more as a comment like "Those Maple Leafs don't know how to play hockey".

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    • #77
      Originally posted by deanjo View Post
      I'm not changing the original statement. You are just reading more into it then how it was intended. It was meant more as a comment like "Those Maple Leafs don't know how to play hockey".
      As hyperbole, it is stretching the truth; the problem is you repeat that statement often enough people will believe it, and if they think it is true then they are believing a lie. That is why I take exception to that statement - there are plenty of developers supporting our platform, and I do not like people using an unfair sleight of hand to say they do not exist.
      Last edited by Hamish Wilson; 10-29-2012, 06:57 PM.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
        Yea, that. It gets even rather ludicrous: if you are trying to use the MS Office 2010 To Go feature, you must be logged in as an administrator. It never asks you to enter Administrator credentials, either, just fails with a completely unrelated "the server return an unknown response" error. Makes you wonder how many MS devs themselves use their own security features...
        Absolute mindwreck. On unrelated note, what to expect from guys whose TESTING CENTER program is FULL OF BUGS and fails here and there? And enterprise system management tools are awful bunch of crashes and

        And yes, redirection of files and directories. Their "Virtualisation" of the Program Files folder is one of the worst things possible, as it simply eats files. The files programs put there are moved to another folder and made invisible to the user. In what way that helps security I have no clue. It's pretty much worse than silent IO failure. Thankfully, with a bit of fiddling around in the registry or the Management Console, that can be disabled.
        Thankfully, now there is Linux so I have to deal with this mindwreck seriously less than I otherwise have to. Dang, it's so nice when there is at least some competition.

        That's on Windows 7, though. Not sure how they changed it in Win8, but I'm definitely not going to find out any time soon.
        As for me I seen it and I really dislike it. For example it's damn inconvenient to run installed programs now and hitting Win button brings you to new intrusive "start" menu equivalent with a nasty eye-annoying bright colors, dumb squares and so on. Looks like the most funded feature of this OS has been ... aggressive marketing rather than something useful for users. Because anything else has become worse or haven't changed in better case.

        At least they now have ReFS... ...except it's only on servers. What else is on servers? Metro UI. Yeah...
        They promised they will have it. Sometimes. Maybe. They also promised the same for WinFS. And after all they dropped this feature since it never made it in time and reasonable quality. The only problem is: 9 womans will not give you a child in one month. Same goes here. It takes years to create such filesystems designs. And it takes a bunch of highly skilled guys. MS seems to be boring and outdated corpotation. Such persons will hit administrative walls soon. Then they will leave for better places as they need to have some fun from their work and it's clearly not about MS. So I guess MS would have some troubles to actually deliver ReFS and make it anyhow competetive. They did almost nothing for ~20 years. Other developed better designs. So they want to catch up and outperform these in a instant? No way, they could only compete in marketing bullshit at the moment. After all they were greedy and IFS SDK has been always problematic to get and use since MS wanted to control everything themselves. Including which FS goes where. This haves some price: there are almost no devs familiar with IFS and creating filesystems for windows. So this part of windows now become their competetive disadvantage. That's what I call shooting own legs...

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        • #79
          @deanjo

          Not fully correct. I even played Rage with my Xbox 360 pad (even on Linux possible) as that game is a mixture of racing and fps. Usually you can enable assisted aiming on consoles if not default already, so maybe not for hardcore fps fans (you could add usb keyboard/mouse in theory as well, but who does that) but those who play every game using a pad those do not worry. What do you think is Halo, it was even a launch title for Xbox and came later to PC.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by 0xBADCODE View Post
            They promised they will have it. Sometimes. Maybe. They also promised the same for WinFS. And after all they dropped this feature since it never made it in time and reasonable quality. The only problem is: 9 womans will not give you a child in one month. Same goes here. It takes years to create such filesystems designs. And it takes a bunch of highly skilled guys. MS seems to be boring and outdated corpotation. Such persons will hit administrative walls soon. Then they will leave for better places as they need to have some fun from their work and it's clearly not about MS. So I guess MS would have some troubles to actually deliver ReFS and make it anyhow competetive. They did almost nothing for ~20 years. Other developed better designs. So they want to catch up and outperform these in a instant? No way, they could only compete in marketing bullshit at the moment. After all they were greedy and IFS SDK has been always problematic to get and use since MS wanted to control everything themselves. Including which FS goes where. This haves some price: there are almost no devs familiar with IFS and creating filesystems for windows. So this part of windows now become their competetive disadvantage. That's what I call shooting own legs...
            Isn't ReFS already released as part of Windows Server 2012?

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            • #81
              Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
              Isn't ReFS already released as part of Windows Server 2012?
              Hmm... re-checked and yeah, they did (I haven't seen server 2012 so far). And as far as I can see they used more or less modern technologies, so it looks like I was over-pessimistic about their abilities (based on other software they release). Though I can see it does not supports sparse files and disk quotas, as well as compression, etc (hey, they already had it for NTFS?). Something that you could expect in 2012, eh? Strange guys, but okay, rant is invalid at the moment.
              Last edited by 0xBADCODE; 10-30-2012, 03:31 AM.

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              • #82
                Windows 8 installer bluescreened on me, while running in VirtualBox. Need I say more?

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by tomato View Post
                  Need I say more?
                  Link to bugreport in VirtualBox bugtracker probably?

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by _artem_ View Post
                    I am homosex

                    gtfo out of here you russian piece of shit, nobody wants you here.


                    I didn't like this article because

                    1. updating fails in numerous OS's, from linux to mac, updating a OS is always risky

                    2. He should have at least tried it before giving opinions, the fact that he didn't reveals BIAS


                    My impressions of windows 8 is that it's a schizophrenic system, an aborted hybrid fetus that is not suited neither for desktop nor for tablet use.

                    I see some review were people try to do normal stuff like shutting the system or adjusting the settings and it's absolutely mind bogling how ms released such a thing.


                    This reminds me of an XBOX sysem where you navigate with a Dpad, you always have difficulty changing stuff and it seems they designed the system so simply shit like playing games or downloading demos is real simple BUT getting to system preferences or changing things is real difficult

                    windows8 will prove a lost golden opportunity for linux because linux ONCE AGAIN failed to get his shit together

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                      gtfo out of here you russian piece of shit
                      Maybe he is a piece of shit, but russia has nothing to do with it.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                        Maybe he is a piece of shit, but russia has nothing to do with it.
                        Yes, indeed.

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                        • #87
                          Microsoft continues its "underwhelming" progress, if you can call it that

                          As a former Windows users, converted over to the Linux side, I can concur that the direction Windows is going into is and always been wrong, and towards destruction. Win8 is the embodiment of all that is wrong with the OS: for one, they are trying to combine their mobile and desktop market, which as of right now isn't the way to go, and isn't going to pit them at the top of the evolutionary chain. A lot of their userbase is older folks who aren't as tech savvy as the younger generation, and will not understand this new OS. Not to mention that they will not only have to relearn how to use it, but also contend with the touch abilities, which I'm sure most of you can agree with, that our parents just can't grasp.

                          First and foremost, Microsoft has rushed the product out, that to this day, is still having the same touch issues as all the other demos that they have presented. As seen in this video, http://www.osnews.com/story/26327/Wi...uch-unfriendly. Every single time the Win8 was shown, there was some kind of an error, and now the excuse we get from the official showing of the product that just came out is that it's "not entirely optimized for a touch experience." What the hell is Win8 doing on a tablet then?! It seems ludicrous to me to showcase a product that's meant to be a [sorry excuse of a] market takeover on a mobile device. Am I the only one who sees the irony of that statement? There is also a problem in the catching for the Office team in Microsoft, because they are the only reason that Win8 will have a desktop mode. Also, unlike their tablet, all of the settings are generally changed in the same screen as the rest of the OS, not having to flip over and use "desktop mode" to change display settings.

                          Overall, Microsoft is too greedy and too afraid that they are rushing out unfinished product. Considering the amount of money that they churn out, there is no excuse.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by mmrezaie View Post
                            I don't know which one is sadder! Your racism, or your grammar!
                            For me it's not sad, it's rage-inducing. Someone needs to start moderating their forums, I think. Also, I have a release preview of Win8 installed, which I've basically used only for the few games I have on steam that won't work under WINE. It works okay as long as you can avoid the "Modern" interface. (The interface formerly known as Metro). There was some kind of lawsuit involved over the name.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
                              Link to bugreport in VirtualBox bugtracker probably?
                              it was probably caused by a slow HDD (!!), after I moved the image to a faster HDD it installed so I don't know why I should report it to VirtualBox and not MS...

                              Originally posted by Da9nd2ri3dge
                              Basically i would always do clean win installs and never upgrade. That's usally lost time to do so.
                              That's my experience too, but either they should support it and it should work or they should remove the ability to do in-place upgrade. There's a feature, this feature does not work as advertised, ergo it's a bug.

                              I regularly upgrade Debian servers and Ubuntu desktops between releases and there never was a time I was left with unbootable system, sometimes some daemon didn't work because the config file syntax changed but it was at most an hour or two of work to make it 100% functional again. Let alone my Archlinux install that I upgraded from 32bit to 64bit, moved between 3 different computers and the last 5 or 6 years of updates I installed while I've used it, again I never had to do restore from backups because the upgrade went FUBAR.

                              As such, I'd say the situation in the Linux and Windows camp is radically different.
                              Last edited by tomato; 10-31-2012, 07:32 AM.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by tomato View Post
                                Windows 8 installer bluescreened on me, while running in VirtualBox. Need I say more?
                                What was the STOP code/error message? Kinda hard to diagnose the problem without at least that information...

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