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    Phoronix: Nokia Slams Office Working On Qt Components

    Word has leaked out that Nokia will be shutting down their Brisbane Australia office next month. This is the office that's responsible for developing and maintaining several Qt components...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTE1MTM

  • #2
    Originally posted by phoronix View Post
    Phoronix: Nokia Slams Office Working On Qt Components

    Word has leaked out that Nokia will be shutting down their Brisbane Australia office next month. This is the office that's responsible for developing and maintaining several Qt components...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTE1MTM
    QtDeclarative, that's QML :/
    http://qt-project.org/wiki/Maintainers

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    • #3
      Ger real

      Everybody knew this would happen and more will come. This is tough luck for people who wasted time and money on Qt skills and certificarions. At least they should be noble enough to accept the matter instead of trying to hijack other open source projects. Right now someone is wasting the GIMP devs time by suggesting a Qt port. Jeez talk about bad manners.

      Go fork Qt instead to make it free(free as in no Nokia ties)

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      • #4
        s/nokia/microsoft/

        Obviously this was also part of MS's plan. Its pretty disgusting how they killed nokia, meego and QT. and of course, thousands lost jobs over this. and hundred of companies based on that work are now in troubles. and of course, free projects as well.

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        • #5
          This is horrible news. With any luck though, Nokia's detatchement from qt will make other firms feel more comfortable to take it and use it for themselves and more importantly, help maintain it like trolltech and nokia had done in the past.

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          • #6
            Qt ain't dead yet. Sure nokia may not be putting as much code into it now but I heard intel has been hiring a large number of laid off qt devs. Who cares if mokia puts in less code if all the devs just work on it at different companies. In all likelihood Nokia will probably sell Qt off, they already did so with the commercial version being sold to digia. Besides if qt ever becomes nonfree Kde obtains a BSD licensed version. At a technical level Qt is way better then Gtk, and the best cross playform toolkit/framework.

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            • #7
              To my understanding there are a lot of Qt companies hiring developers at the moment. Thanks to Qt project it possible if not ideal that many companies develope Qt jointly. That being said this is obviously sad and someone seriously should buy the Nokia's Qt unit alltogether.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                Everybody knew this would happen and more will come. This is tough luck for people who wasted time and money on Qt skills and certificarions. At least they should be noble enough to accept the matter instead of trying to hijack other open source projects. Right now someone is wasting the GIMP devs time by suggesting a Qt port. Jeez talk about bad manners.

                Go fork Qt instead to make it free(free as in no Nokia ties)
                You're either a troll or ignorant. Qt has an open governance model already and is available in GPL and LGPL. What more do you want?
                http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/10/21/...oject-is-live/

                I don't often do application development for Linux but when I do I much prefer Qt versus GTK. I can't imagine the community letting Qt die. It is easily one of the best frameworks for any platform, much less Linux specifically.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                  Go fork Qt instead to make it free(free as in no Nokia ties)
                  The project should get rid of this: http://qt.nokia.com/merge_requests/agreement/

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dalingrin View Post
                    You're either a troll or ignorant. Qt has an open governance model already and is available in GPL and LGPL. What more do you want?
                    How about some honesty? Open governance means nothing but the right for Elops Nokia to cherrypick what they want for Qt. Off course the first requirement for inclusion is to assign all your rights to Mr Elop. Go read the Qt CLA. This is not open governance this is cherrypicking designed to avoid free software terms.

                    Yeah thats right, someone believes you need to give mr Elop complete control and free code, and then someday he will grant you a linux toolkit to break Microsofts dominance. Please disregard that Elop blew meltemi and meeGo

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                    • #11
                      Another Qt thread, another funkSTAR trolling attempt. This is more predictable than btrfs or NVidia threads.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
                        Another Qt thread, another funkSTAR trolling attempt. This is more predictable than btrfs or NVidia threads.
                        Yeah thats nice mr kitty cat. Blame everyone for trolling while your beloved mr Meego&Meltemi killer is demanding control and complete licensing benefits on Qt.

                        You dont care a whole lot about software freedom do you?
                        Last edited by funkSTAR; 08-01-2012, 03:34 AM.

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                        • #13
                          What it all means ultimately is that the copyright for QT is controlled by a corporation who is now little more then a fiefdom for Microsoft.

                          First things to take into account is:
                          * Microsoft doesn't care about QT one bit.

                          This wasn't 'Microsoft's whole plan the entire time' or any such BS. QT is not a threat and never will be a threat because writing 'cross platform software' is crap no matter how many layers of abstraction you throw at it and KDE will never take the steps necessary to be a mainstream desktop OS that could ever possibly threaten Microsoft.

                          Microsoft needed lots of very good hardware design experience to spearhead Windows 7 platform and it was cheaper and faster to pay Nokia to do it rather then try to do it in-house. Despite all the fantasies and misunderstandings people have about 'cut throat competition' and corporate culture... as a business it's fundamentally stupid and self destructive to try to do it yourself when you get the same work done cheaper, faster, and better by a paying a different company to do it. This is simply a part of how the world functions. Elop is a tool and he will be remembered for the rest of history as the CEO that destroyed a fortune 500 company in the shortest amount of time possible. He literally destroyed the profitability of his corporation in less then a week by gambling on Microsoft. However, this is a problem for Nokia... not really Microsoft.

                          What it means ultimately for QT and KDE is that Nokia has zero financial interest in developing QT further. It's a dead technology as far as they are concerned. KDE has always heavily depended on Trolltech's commercial interests to fund development on QT. Now this is gone. Probably gone forever. Now KDE and the 'open governance' folks have to depend on themselves to do development.

                          This is a similar position that the OpenSolaris and ZFS folks have to contend with. Their source of code has gone back to being proprietary, rather then becoming abandonware, but the situation is ultimately very similar.

                          Also this means that nobody can sell QT under any license other then GPL or LGPL.

                          This means that now KDE folks are going to have to work much harder to get the same level of progress done now then they have had to do in the past.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                            Yeah thats nice mr kitty cat. Blame everyone for trolling while your beloved mr Meego&Meltemi killer is demanding control and complete licensing benefits on Qt.

                            You dont care a whole lot about software freedom do you?
                            Right, you're not a troll. You are such a positive person, making so many posts about great software freedom projects It is not like you almost always post on threads about KDE or Qt, and take every opportunity to criticize either project in any way you can. "haha, KDE is having a meeting in a country that had financial problems after the fall of the Soviet Union, that shows how bad KDE is" (paraphrasing). Yeah, you aren't a troll at all.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                              Yeah thats nice mr kitty cat. Blame everyone for trolling while your beloved mr Meego&Meltemi killer is demanding control and complete licensing benefits on Qt.

                              You dont care a whole lot about software freedom do you?
                              Control of "licensing benefits" (which is a terrible way to say 'copyrights') is completely and utterly irrelevant at this point.

                              The reason it's irrelevant is because any work done to QT at this point is going to be a derivative of existing QT code. Existing QT code can only be obtained, as open source, under the LGPL license. Therefore any QT development outside of Nokia can only ever be LGPL.

                              This is EXACTLY THE SAME as if Nokia did NOT demand developers to sign over their copyrights.

                              Understand?

                              So while what you are pointing out is a fact.. it has no point. Whether or not developers sign their rights away to Nokia it will have no impact on the licensing or freedom of QT or KDE as open source.

                              The only possible damage that can occur is if Nokia decides to stop releasing LGPL versions of QT and developers had patches that they signed rights away, but never made it into a release. Those patches would be locked off for ever. But not only is this unlikely it is a very short time span and the damage would be minimal even if it did happen.

                              If developers never signed their rights away then they would be in the same boat as the Linux kernel and would only ever be able to release their software under LGPL/GPL due to the huge amount of effort it would require to contact all the copyright holders and get them to agree collectively to new licensing change.

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