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  • #11
    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
    So, you did not answer the question - which means you agree. And asking question on question instead of giving answer is sign of cowardness. At least you could form that question a little more intelligent.

    And in case you wish to invite me to your collective party with CIA, I kindly refuse.
    i think my list is so long he never can return it without admit the fact that the CIA is a terror organisation.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
      i think my list is so long he never can return it without admit the fact that the CIA is a terror organisation.
      Qaridarium, would you agree with me that United States themselves transform slowly into a government of terror?

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Hirager View Post
        Qaridarium, would you agree with me that United States themselves transform slowly into a government of terror?
        your words do have some mistakes for example: united states are not the government...

        Ron Paul for example is a good guy with a big sense about what is right and wrong.

        the government is another story the 2 party system is in fact really useless in force the government to act in the civilian will.

        in my point of view : the united states do have a big problem with there Government and Obama compared to bush is like comparing cholera and plague.

        the USA should really switch there democracy to a "German" model with more than 2 party’s.

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        • #14
          Contrary to popular belief

          Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
          Who gave Taliban weapons?

          @Q, I think they have used this "rule" for ever since existance. I don´t know any state that cannot kill his citizens and get away with that. The only difference is that they are trying to legalize it, which means they are seeking a short (making something legal or covering it takes some effort) path to perform operations or remove undesireble evidence. This is actually military, but "shooting first and thinking later" was always an american way, no? :/
          What wars did the Americans start shooting first? Why even in our own Civil war secessionists started shooting first!

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          • #15
            I don't think so

            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post

            the USA should really switch there democracy to a "German" model with more than 2 party’s.
            Why would the USA want to emulate two time losers like the Germans?

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            • #16
              Seriously now

              Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
              there is a documentation on you-tube for you: "Crimes of the CIA"



              in generall wikipedia also helps: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central...y#Kontroversen

              "The activities of the CIA have led to political controversy in the United States and other countries. The reason is primarily the proven massive interference in the internal affairs of other countries through covert operations, were also on the coups against democratically elected governments (see above). The long-standing support of dictators is criticized, especially in South America, such as Manuel Noriega in Panama and Somoza in Nicaragua, as well as the autocratic rulers of the Shah in Iran. It was also the former co-operation with former members of the Wehrmacht and the SS criticized as part of Operation Gladio, MK Ultra, or the partial support and connivance of the so-called rat lines, a legal escape routes for Nazi war criminals such as Klaus Barbie, escaped with the papers of the Vatican and the Red Cross to South America."

              http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio

              http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MK-ULTRA

              http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Artischocke

              "Human rights violations in the war on terrorism"

              http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central...en_Terrorismus

              http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Kurnaz

              "Drug trafficking and money laundering"

              http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central...eldw.C3.A4sche

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

              "CIA torture"

              http://video.google.de/videoplay?doc...arch&plindex=0

              ""The CIA has the right to break any law""

              http://www.zeit.de/2006/01/M__Scheuer

              "Report on illegal CIA activities in Europe Part I"

              http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?Lin...rtII-FINAL.htm
              part 2
              http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?Lin...rtII-FINAL.htm
              What would you prefer, we just roll our tanks and bombers, or try to take care of some business quietly? We are going to take care of it, either way. It is the responsibility of the USA to protect democracy. We have to defend all of you, but now you want to tell us how we're supposed to do it too?

              By the way you're welcome for the freedoms that you enjoy today that were hard fought for with American blood.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Paul Frederick View Post
                What would you prefer, we just roll our tanks and bombers, or try to take care of some business quietly? We are going to take care of it, either way. It is the responsibility of the USA to protect democracy. We have to defend all of you, but now you want to tell us how we're supposed to do it too?

                By the way you're welcome for the freedoms that you enjoy today that were hard fought for with American blood.
                I am very sorry to disappoint you, but your leaders became weak, and fell prey to the corporations. Heard of CISPA, the successor to ACTA, SOPA and PIPA? Your country is being ruled in continuously higher part by greedy corporations. If you had not heard what is truly happening with USA, then I am so sorry.

                I acknowledge that there are citizens in your country who fight for freedom. But they are being pushed away. The world already suffers from oppressive patent laws maintained by the aggressive lobby of corporations. Why did American Army attack Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq? Because someone had to sell lots of weapons. The fight with terrorism is a made-up idea. Now, even if people try to fight injustice, the oppressors call them terrorists and kill without hesitation. The world's empires perform truth manipulation at a horrifying scale.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Paul Frederick View Post
                  Why would the USA want to emulate two time losers like the Germans?
                  LOL... sure a 2 party Dictatorship with all time wars going one are so much better.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Hirager View Post
                    I am very sorry to disappoint you, but your leaders became weak, and fell prey to the corporations. Heard of CISPA, the successor to ACTA, SOPA and PIPA? Your country is being ruled in continuously higher part by greedy corporations. If you had not heard what is truly happening with USA, then I am so sorry.
                    That's nothing new, the government has been run by the rich since the very beginning of our country. It used to be you couldn't even vote if you weren't a rich land owner white male.

                    Why did American Army attack Afghanistan,
                    Because that's where Osama bin Laden was, and he had just killed 3,000 Americans on US soil.

                    Iran
                    Um, we haven't attacked Iran. Unless you're talking about the old hostage crisis in the 70's?

                    Iraq?
                    Because Bush Jr. was pissed at Saddam for being mean to his daddy.

                    Because someone had to sell lots of weapons.
                    If there's one thing the US can do, it's sell weapons no matter whether there's a war on or not.

                    Now, even if people try to fight injustice, the oppressors call them terrorists and kill without hesitation. The world's empires perform truth manipulation at a horrifying scale.
                    This is also nothing new. There's an old saying that one man's terrorists are another's freedom fighters. Nothing new about that.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Paul Frederick View Post
                      What would you prefer, we just roll our tanks and bombers,
                      they do this right now and all the time but in another way you think. they always sell tanks and bombers to Dictatorships like Saudi Arabia!

                      most of the time these little dirty country do the dirty work for the USA.

                      Originally posted by Paul Frederick View Post
                      or try to take care of some business quietly?
                      i don’t have a problem with that one. but tell me why they do business in allied country on innocent civilians ? i don't think MK-Ultra is a useful business.

                      why not start business in Saudi Arabia against there Dictatorship instead of killing innocent Europeans?

                      Gladio prove they prefer to kill innocent Europeans instead of start a war against dictatorships like Saudi Arabia!



                      Originally posted by Paul Frederick View Post
                      We are going to take care of it, either way.
                      Saudi Arabia prove the complete opposite.

                      Iran is a problem for the USA and iran is a kind of "Democracy" BUT Saudi Arabia is NO problem for the USA and they are a 100% pure Dictatorship monarchy.
                      the government never chance in saudi arabia because the "king" do have unlimited power to do ALL he want.
                      but the USA prefer to start a war against Iran instead of saudia arabia only because of.... OIL from Saudi Arabia.
                      the 9/11 attack on the world trade centre was 100% driven by Saudi Arabia terrorists and not IRAN people!
                      Osama bin ladin= Saudi Arabia!

                      Originally posted by Paul Frederick View Post
                      It is the responsibility of the USA to protect democracy..
                      tell me why they destroy many democracy all over the world?
                      and why they support dictatorships against democracy?

                      for example panama: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschic....C3.A4rputsche
                      or the iran http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschic...d_Reza_Pahlavi

                      "mit Hilfe der CIA („Operation Ajax“). General Zahedi übernahm die Regierung und am 28. Oktober 1954"

                      obs another CIA operation to make sure the USA get the OIL and iran get the dictator-shipment.

                      Originally posted by Paul Frederick View Post
                      We have to defend all of you
                      no they only defence them self and all others are lost in the dark.

                      Originally posted by Paul Frederick View Post
                      , but now you want to tell us how we're supposed to do it too?
                      maybe there is no need to do anything outside of the USA.

                      Originally posted by Paul Frederick View Post
                      By the way you're welcome for the freedoms that you enjoy today that were hard fought for with American blood.
                      you mean german blood LOL

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