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  • #16
    this is wrong weak countrys like greece need strong partners like germany.

    in a world market weak countrys like greece are doomed alone.
    Indeed. Or is that the other way around?

    Originally posted by http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,772177,00.html
    According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), the main buyers of German weapons systems in the years 2006 through 2010 were:

    Greece (with a share of 15 percent)
    [...]

    SIPRI said that Germany advanced from fifth to third place among the biggest arms sellers between 1998 and 2009, even though a previous center-left government pledged in 2000 to pursue a "restrictive'" policy on exporting defense technology.
    Originally posted by http://www.defencegreece.com/index.php/2012/02/independent-france-and-germany-to-blame-for-greece-crisis/
    Over much of the last decade, Greece – which has a population of 11 million people – has been one of the top five arms importers in the world. Most of the vastly expensive weapons, including submarines, tanks and combat aircraft, were made in Germany, France and the US.
    [...]
    The arms purchases were beyond Greece's capacity to absorb, even before the financial crisis struck in 2009. Several hundred Leopard battle tanks were bought from Germany, but there was no money to pay for ammunition for their guns. Even in 2010, when the extent of the financial disaster was apparent, Greece bought 223 howitzers and a submarine from Germany at a cost of €403m.
    15% of Germany's arms exports go to Greece. This continued even after Greece became insolvent and illiquid. How could this be?

    Originally posted by http://www.defensenews.com/article/20100507/DEFSECT04/5070306/France-Germany-Forced-Greece-Buy-Arms-MEP
    Cohn-Bendit accused France and Germany of making their contributions to an IMF-led rescue package for the debt-ridden Greek economy contingent on Athens honoring massive arms deals signed by Papandreou's predecessor.

    "It's incredible the way the Merkels and Sarkozys of this world treat a Greek prime minister," he declared, adding that Papandreou had recently met Sarkozy and French Prime Minister Francois Fillon in Paris.

    "Mr. Fillon and Mr. Sarkozy told Mr. Papandreou: 'We're going to raise the money to help you, but you are going to have to continue to pay the arms contracts that we have with you'," Cohn-Bendit said.

    "In the past three months we have forced Greece to confirm several billion dollars in arms contracts. French frigates that the Greeks will have to buy for 2.5 billion euros. Helicopters, planes, German submarines."
    Germany is "helping" Greece by forcing her to buy German arms - at a premium. That's deeply fucked up.

    The truth is, Germany is profiting heavily from the current crisis. She gets free cash inflows from people parking their money, she gets long-term political and economic concessions (how many democratic goverments has it overthrown yet?), and she pushes forward a German-centric Euro "unification" that would be impossible outside of the crisis. There are exactly two things she fears: democracy (recall the huge pressure against referendums) and a premature end of the crisis (before she reaps every advantage she can). Which is why she tries to prolong the crisis, while avoiding an outright breakup - tittering at the brink of destruction is where the money is at, at least for the 3 or 4 countries in the Euro "core".

    So much for claiming the moral high ground.

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    • #17
      @Qaridarium:

      First I think you took my post to personal, I did not want to insult you, or anything and I will watch all the videos if they are not totaly stupid, but I had no time yet.

      I write maybe a bit angree because I am angree against our political systems, not because/against you.

      And I also know that in other countries it is not better mostly, maybe in france its still a bit better but even that I dont know for shure.

      I am just saying that all the systems are shit. And yes this system can only work for some countries not for all, because we have such good ecomeny because we as country sell more to other countries then we buy. Thats just impossible to do for all countries. Thats physical inpossible.


      But your brother to give as a example is also not the best idea because only a small amount of people can be successfull as freelancer. And to say someone is successful so each person can be successful is also an invalid statement.

      We have boxes we put people in our minds, if you fit not in the right boxes because as example you have overweight or you have no expensive business clothes you are on much places fucked. And even if you would say germany would be nearly perfect (what you dont do), thats no modell all other countries can do. I said why that is physical impossible.

      We need a basic income grant and at least strong additional fluent (interest-free) money if not such a system as a complete replacement of our current system.

      Its also totaly stupid to blame someone that he has high debs, because without debs there would be no money at all, because money = debs.

      Its just a false conclusion that because you know some people which are very successful anybody with other skills other color of skin or other background must be able to have sucess, too.

      I studied communication and software technics I helped some guys to get their diploma I was one of the best (technicaly) so still I dont get a job I applied shurely 100 times till now had 20-30 interviews so far and noone took me in the end. And that in a country that pays year for year less to their people. It maybe go to hell slower than other countries but thats it. Also the richer here gets each year reacher and the poor people gets more poor each year too.


      So sorry I want not to insult you or something but I think my points are right. Germany cant be a modal for all countries. It should change strongly soon, and with help of the pirate party we maybe get that soon.

      EDIT: we also need to lower our work-taxes we need explizit consume taxes like the sales tax, then the politicals would fight that we are all able to consume more (more wealth) instead of trying to get all people work for 80hours a week to get the taxes there.
      Last edited by blackiwid; 02-29-2012, 07:39 AM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
        Indeed. Or is that the other way around?

        15% of Germany's arms exports go to Greece. This continued even after Greece became insolvent and illiquid. How could this be?

        Germany is "helping" Greece by forcing her to buy German arms - at a premium. That's deeply fucked up.

        The truth is, Germany is profiting heavily from the current crisis. She gets free cash inflows from people parking their money, she gets long-term political and economic concessions (how many democratic goverments has it overthrown yet?), and she pushes forward a German-centric Euro "unification" that would be impossible outside of the crisis. There are exactly two things she fears: democracy (recall the huge pressure against referendums) and a premature end of the crisis (before she reaps every advantage she can). Which is why she tries to prolong the crisis, while avoiding an outright breakup - tittering at the brink of destruction is where the money is at, at least for the 3 or 4 countries in the Euro "core".

        So much for claiming the moral high ground.
        The answer is to simple: Germany is in the middle of Europe Germany do not need weapons at all.
        Greece is in the south of Europe this means they need weapons against the countries outside of Europe.

        Because of this it just doesn't matter Liquid or not the Greece have to defend Europe!

        And there is just no question Germany without Greece or Greece without Germany it just doesn't matter what works better they have to work together.

        sure Germany profit from Greece but this is not the question the question is to to solve the inner problems of Europe.

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        • #19
          I just checked the German fertility rates. This country has absolutely no future. It can be completely written off as a future world player and its culture -- good or bad -- will be extinct within 50-100 years, probably replaced by something from the Middle East.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
            The answer is to simple: Germany is in the middle of Europe Germany do not need weapons at all.
            That, and our constitution can not hinder our corrupt regime to fight with other criminal regimes wars somewhere in the world.
            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
            Greece is in the south of Europe this means they need weapons against the countries outside of Europe.

            Because of this it just doesn't matter Liquid or not the Greece have to defend Europe!
            You mean defend of the very extreme dictatorship turkey? They only get weapons to "defend" against that country, they all want to invade greece because they are jealous of the higher wealth greece, rofl.


            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
            And there is just no question Germany without Greece or Greece without Germany it just doesn't matter what works better they have to work together.

            sure Germany profit from Greece but this is not the question the question is to to solve the inner problems of Europe.
            Thats the question for germany, for greece they have to survife thats what only matters to them and I do not mean as country or as a euro-member, I mean they have to find a way (as example own currency and big downgrades to protect their econemy against more efficient ones like germany) to stop their route to 3rd-world-land.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by johnc View Post
              I just checked the German fertility rates. This country has absolutely no future. It can be completely written off as a future world player and its culture -- good or bad -- will be extinct within 50-100 years, probably replaced by something from the Middle East.
              Some time ago, Gaddafi told europeans,..."we will conquer you not with a sword, but with a dick". My country will be gone soon. jipseys have ~5-6 to 10 children, young bulgarians have ~1..if any

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Drago View Post
                Some time ago, Gaddafi told europeans,..."we will conquer you not with a sword, but with a dick". My country will be gone soon. jipseys have ~5-6 to 10 children, young bulgarians have ~1..if any
                Japanese are in the same boat. And seriously... who is going to make our anime once they're gone?

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                • #23
                  Choices ... again

                  Originally posted by johnc View Post
                  Japanese are in the same boat. And seriously... who is going to make our anime once they're gone?
                  Holding a pencil ... or holding a dick ... another good sample of tough choices life put us in front of

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                    That, and our constitution can not hinder our corrupt regime to fight with other criminal regimes wars somewhere in the world.
                    true but our constitution is obsolete because: war is peace every 1984 reader know this

                    Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                    You mean defend of the very extreme dictatorship turkey? They only get weapons to "defend" against that country, they all want to invade greece because they are jealous of the higher wealth greece, rofl.
                    no not turkey but all the other enemies around :Mediterranean Sea

                    Or you think Muslim nations like Egypt or Libya are the friends of Europe?
                    they don't share ideological stuff like freedom of speech or free choose of religion or a religion free government.

                    Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                    Thats the question for germany, for greece they have to survife thats what only matters to them and I do not mean as country or as a euro-member, I mean they have to find a way (as example own currency and big downgrades to protect their econemy against more efficient ones like germany) to stop their route to 3rd-world-land.
                    i vote for bitcoin as an official new currency all over Europe!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by johnc View Post
                      I just checked the German fertility rates. This country has absolutely no future. It can be completely written off as a future world player and its culture -- good or bad -- will be extinct within 50-100 years, probably replaced by something from the Middle East.
                      Germans think different they think low fertility rate is the future of the humanity!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                        Germans think different they think low fertility rate is the future of the humanity!
                        I admire German logical spirit, yes, really

                        "
                        - What is the common source of many problems plaguing Earth ?
                        -- Human being
                        - Ok, so let's take some action and solve the problem by eliminating the roots of it then !!!
                        -- Wut ??
                        - Stop, fucking ( I mean literrally ) , you, idiots !!!!
                        "

                        At the end of the day, no more human kind, no more wars, no hunger, nothing
                        Problem solved, move over.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by jlm2010 View Post
                          I admire German logical spirit, yes, really

                          "
                          - What is the common source of many problems plaguing Earth ?
                          -- Human being
                          - Ok, so let's take some action and solve the problem by eliminating the roots of it then !!!
                          -- Wut ??
                          - Stop, fucking ( I mean literrally ) , you, idiots !!!!
                          "

                          At the end of the day, no more human kind, no more wars, no hunger, nothing
                          Problem solved, move over.

                          LOL yes True and funny!

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                            no not turkey but all the other enemies around :Mediterranean Sea

                            ...

                            Or you think Muslim nations like Egypt or Libya are the friends of Europe?
                            they don't share ideological stuff like freedom of speech or free choose of religion or a religion free government.
                            At least greece claims that they only want that troops against turkey. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek%E...kish_relations

                            Did something leek somewhere or do you have information that I do not have about greece fighting against north-african people? I mean if they only want to stop immigrants some ships would be the better alternative instead of submarines.

                            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                            i vote for bitcoin as an official new currency all over Europe!
                            I really thought about making business over it, but you cant buy real food with it, basicly you nearly can buy any usefull product, but you can buy services for it, so you have to change it back and forth thats not that good at the moment.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                              At least greece claims that they only want that troops against turkey. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek%E...kish_relations

                              Did something leek somewhere or do you have information that I do not have about greece fighting against north-african people? I mean if they only want to stop immigrants some ships would be the better alternative instead of submarines.
                              submarines are so much cooler

                              Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                              I really thought about making business over it, but you cant buy real food with it,
                              this is just wrong for example: http://go-bitcoin.com/link/edle-weltende


                              Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                              basicly you nearly can buy any usefull product, but you can buy services for it, so you have to change it back and forth thats not that good at the moment.
                              why is change it to euro bad?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                                this is just wrong for example: http://go-bitcoin.com/link/edle-weltende
                                I know that shop, but I cannot eat each day only honey + oil, thats a bit disgusting and shurly unhealthy if you only it such stuff.

                                Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                                why is change it to euro bad?
                                because you will shurely have transit costs, also if you change a official-non-money into a official money it counts as income. So and the social system here, takes for the poor people the biggest percentage of taxes. so a rich guy pays 45% maybe with rich-people-tax (from the stuff that floets offical) and from me (Arbeitslosengeld 2) they would after 100 euros that goes free take 80% of all the money. So its totaly unlogical to work a bit in this system, you have to get 1000,- better 1500,- Euros after tax fulltime to make sense, working some small projects and do that legaly is totaly stupid, and especialy do that as independent contractor with rish of not getting all the time the same money is totaly stupid, you have to pay at least your health care for your selth you have to pay that double, so you have to at least earn 1500,- Euro before tax to have a small amount more money than with earning 0 euro.

                                Its a system that does on purpose or just on bad design prevent people from working. So the choices you have if you dont can or want to earn 1500-2500,- Euro each month and work full time as independet man with all the risk, but want to work a bit you have to use bitcoins or some sort of Local Exchange Trading Systems or Schemes or working illigal. Again we should fast lower the stupid work-taxes (since when do we make high taxes on stuff we have to less and want more of) and completly get all the income from consume taxes especialy for our social system, because here we have a totaly stupid system the rich people get more money from that system but they pay in % less money to this systems, totaly stupid uneven system.

                                We also would have better competition system, so a german product has exactly the same amount of social costs in it like a produkt from china. So we could maybe not be cheaper but nearly produce at the same prices and maybe there and there with better quality, we would not have like now often have extremely more expensive products that only rich people could buy.

                                And yes if nobody pays taxes there is no tax-free money part in our income because you pay the taxes only when you buy stuff, so we need the basic income grant as replacement for the tax-free basic income right.

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