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  • #76
    Originally posted by DaemonFC View Post
    You're probably doing it wrong.

    Opera 12 with GPU acceleration or Chromium 17 with mesa git builds and all GPU acceleration overrides on smokes Adobe Trash with HTML 5 video.
    ?? i use the firefox. yes maybe i do it wrong.

    my point is adblock is usefull for html5+webM because adobe flash gives a fuck about webM videos and they just drain the speed of webM only for ads.

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    • #77
      Preaching to the quire, message all wrong

      Hi,

      Interesting thread, my main take on the subject is that Adblock plus allowing "acceptable" ads is totally fine, if you don't like it, fork it and stop being childish:

      https://adblockplus.org/en/source

      With regards to the Microsoft ads on Phoronix, an analogy that comes to mind would be if you died and went to heaven, when you get there God is walking around putting up flashy signs about how awesome it is down in hell. While sitting on your cloud and reading the bible or whatever, these signs for hell keep flashing into view and distracting you. You start taking these signs down but God and some other angels tell you that it is immoral. That's how stupid this situation is to me and it's one reason that my visits to Phoronix are an absolute last resort on a dry news day, as opposed to it being the first port of call it was when i first discovered the site.

      Having a Linux focused site with heavy Microsoft advertising is sending all the wrong messages and the site owner could do himself a favour (increase traffic) by, at the very, least choosing more relevant ads.

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      • #78
        Meh... I use Adblock to get rid of the "bling bling BLING BLING IN YOOOOOOOOOOUR FAAAAAAAAAAAACE click now!" ads.
        If any of the ads deemed acceptable fall too often in that category for my taste, I'll use the appropriate checkbox, as mentioned on the page that popped up after Firefox updated the add-on.
        Beside the post-installation reminder, they made the change public before hand. So I don't feel betrayed in any way.
        "Problem" solved.
        Too much time spent needlessly complaining, that could be poured into much more constructive activities instead, seriously...

        Originally posted by mrintegrity View Post
        Having a Linux focused site with heavy Microsoft advertising is sending all the wrong messages and the site owner could do himself a favour (increase traffic) by, at the very, least choosing more relevant ads.
        That used to bother me too, now I find it funny. They extort Android handset manufacturers, the least they could do is pay for Linux website hosting.
        Now if you mean that they produce too much PR noise so as to undermine smaller FOSS players' ability to advertise their wares, then yes, ad space allocation should be reviewed.
        Last edited by PsynoKhi0; 12-15-2011, 08:24 AM.

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        • #79
          Right now I'm using the Chrome dev channel with a bunch of override flags and Chrome Adblock (unrelated to Adblock Plus which will eventually port this nonsense to their Chrome version).

          The reason for my moving over to Chrome and Chrome Adblock is because there's finally (recent Chrome with override switches) a way to get Chrome Adblock to kill off every ad, every bad element, and every pop under or pop up.

          I'm just so pissed off by the way Firefox is going that this Adblock Plus nonsense from Wladimir Palant has been the last straw and has completely pushed me over the edge.


          Here's a new one for Michael.

          If I want to print something from your site, and don't want to waste my printer ink on your skyscraper ads (because printer ink is very expensive), and I only flipped on Adblock to not waste ink, am I "stealing"?

          Don't you in fact harm your users that want to use the print function if you lock out anyone who blocks ads, even if they only do it to not waste a lot of very very expensive ink?

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          • #80
            I had read somewhere that the printer ink is actually one of the most expensive fluids ever sold, so this is actually a very good point.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by DaemonFC View Post
              Right now I'm using the Chrome dev channel with a bunch of override flags and Chrome Adblock (unrelated to Adblock Plus which will eventually port this nonsense to their Chrome version).

              The reason for my moving over to Chrome and Chrome Adblock is because there's finally (recent Chrome with override switches) a way to get Chrome Adblock to kill off every ad, every bad element, and every pop under or pop up.

              I'm just so pissed off by the way Firefox is going that this Adblock Plus nonsense from Wladimir Palant has been the last straw and has completely pushed me over the edge.


              Here's a new one for Michael.

              If I want to print something from your site, and don't want to waste my printer ink on your skyscraper ads (because printer ink is very expensive), and I only flipped on Adblock to not waste ink, am I "stealing"?

              Don't you in fact harm your users that want to use the print function if you lock out anyone who blocks ads, even if they only do it to not waste a lot of very very expensive ink?
              I have never heard of anybody that has wanted to print an article that they can read online, ever. That point is not valid.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by NoEffex View Post
                I have never heard of anybody that has wanted to print an article that they can read online, ever. That point is not valid.
                i know a lot of these people- most of my customers for example.

                money don't care for them and they don't want read in front of the pc.

                they want it print and read like a news paper.

                (no this isn't a joke)

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                  i know a lot of these people- most of my customers for example.

                  money don't care for them and they don't want read in front of the pc.

                  they want it print and read like a news paper.

                  (no this isn't a joke)
                  So if money doesn't care to them they don't care about ink prices so then using ink on ads doesn't matter... and if money isn't a limitation such people if printing off Phoronix pages might as well subscribe to Phoronix Premium.
                  Michael Larabel
                  http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                  • #84
                    I'll give you a better example.

                    My mom doesn't have a computer.

                    She wants me to look up an article or recipe or something and print out a hard copy for her.

                    The site has 2/3rds ads, like Phoronix does, and I don't want to triple my ink usage to print out a chicken recipe or something.

                    I turn adblock on and reload the page so I use about a third of the ink, which is more expensive per ounce than Russian caviar.

                    Have I "stolen" from or "harmed" the site? If so, is it to an unreasonable degree considering ink is more expensive than Russian caviar?

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Michael View Post
                      So if money doesn't care to them they don't care about ink prices so then using ink on ads doesn't matter... and if money isn't a limitation such people if printing off Phoronix pages might as well subscribe to Phoronix Premium.
                      i also know people with printing stuff from the internet and they care for money

                      sure in my point of view this is stupid. if i need to print something i copy past the stuff and edit it and print this cleaned pdf file.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                        i also know people with printing stuff from the internet and they care for money

                        sure in my point of view this is stupid. if i need to print something i copy past the stuff and edit it and print this cleaned pdf file.
                        I suppose you could print to PDF, open it in LibreOffice, meticulously fix the formatting problems and sanitize it of ads, and then send it to your printer.

                        You could also make coffee by building a greenhouse, planting seeds, waiting for the plant to mature, removing the seed pods one at a time, roasting them, grinding them yourself, and then preparing the beverage from there.

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                        • #87
                          Why would anyone who cares about money print things with ink? If you print so much that ink costs matter, get a laser.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
                            Why would anyone who cares about money print things with ink? If you print so much that ink costs matter, get a laser.
                            I have better things to spend money on than printing out Michael's Sweaty Steve Skyscraper Sucktitude.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by DaemonFC View Post
                              I suppose you could print to PDF, open it in LibreOffice, meticulously fix the formatting problems and sanitize it of ads, and then send it to your printer.

                              You could also make coffee by building a greenhouse, planting seeds, waiting for the plant to mature, removing the seed pods one at a time, roasting them, grinding them yourself, and then preparing the beverage from there.
                              i know this problem. ads are really bad for printing.

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                              • #90
                                Back on topic, one of the Reddit posters mentioned something I didn't even notice.

                                Wladimir Palant unblocked Sedo in his "ignore the user and sneak ads in through the back door" list.

                                Sedo runs parking pages and typosquatting sites. Can't have them going under can we?

                                I wonder how much he made off of those parasites in exchange for whitelisting them.

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