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  • #31
    Originally posted by NoEffex View Post
    Wait, what? I said blocking ads that get in the way is significantly more reasonable than blocking ads that go in otherwise unused space.
    But still immoral? Inherently? For me, at some point I feel fully justified to block ads.

    This automatic whitelist thingy might be a good way to reward non-annoying ads though, better than just continuing the armsrace to be more and more annoying.

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    • #32
      Back to the topic

      For me this is really about acceptable ads and non acceptable ads.
      I have addblock and noscript however I have whitelisted Phoronix.com in both, because I trust Michael and Phoronix. However there is no way I'll ever whitelist all the others sites that try to run scripts through Phoronix. For example Noscript shows those are trying to run scripts from Phoronix main site: collective-media.net, tribalfusion.com, scorecardresearch.com, betrad.com, adnxs.com, exponential.com etc...
      I have no idea what are those sites and I'll ever allow them.

      BTW I'm totally cool with simple text ads, google ads, etc...

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      • #33
        in short: a bunch of freeloaders are whining because their freeloading might become a little bit less comfortable in the distant future.

        There is a word for such kind of people.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Paulie889 View Post
          For me this is really about acceptable ads and non acceptable ads.
          I have addblock and noscript however I have whitelisted Phoronix.com in both, because I trust Michael and Phoronix. However there is no way I'll ever whitelist all the others sites that try to run scripts through Phoronix. For example Noscript shows those are trying to run scripts from Phoronix main site: collective-media.net, tribalfusion.com, scorecardresearch.com, betrad.com, adnxs.com, exponential.com etc...
          I have no idea what are those sites and I'll ever allow them.

          BTW I'm totally cool with simple text ads, google ads, etc...
          And how many "trustworthy" sites have been hit with ads that load spyware and other malware? No site is immune unless they host the ads from their own servers.

          Ads are a waste of space, signifigantly eating up screen space, not to mention eating bandwidth, ram and CPU for those on older hardware or on metered connections.

          So what next Larabel? Having the page reload every 30 seconds to further inflate your page views? Because this is how a serious site should look http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/print...ly-Review/1426

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          • #35
            I'm using adblock and flash block for one reason: I hate flickering stuff all over my screen when I'm trying to read news or watch any interesting video + I hate my computer become slow because of flash ads as they are eating CPU power as hell. This is it.

            On Phoronix there are almost no ads compared to some sites, but as I use FF profile for my personal internet surfing it's turned on by default and I always came here with adblock enabled. Nothing intentional towards this site.

            In my internet surfing history since 1999 or so I have almost never clicked on ads - maybe some by accident or pure curiosity wtf is behind that particular silly thing. So, as I'm not interested in that at all, because I know what I need or want, I just don't turn it off. As simple as that.

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            • #36
              so when was the last time somebody run in a malware loading ad on a legit non-porn related site?

              Never?

              Yeah, thought so.

              If you dislike ads, buy a membership. But not buying one and blocking ads is nothing but parasitism.

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              • #37
                No, not at all. With regards to Adblock and their "reasonable ads", it
                all boils down to a fraudulent attempt at making a buck out of their
                users, who clearly aren't interested in seeing any kind of advertising, or
                else they wouldn't be using this software in the first place. With regards
                to Phoronix, it all boils down to the same kind of people---those who don't
                particularly enjoy being thrown crap down their throats---refusing to abide
                by some inexistent and ridiculous rules whereby having a look at a website
                is only morally allowed if you participate in the ad fest.

                The most interesting sites I visit regularly are completely ad-free, or,
                alternatively, their most interesting contents are provided by users who make
                their contributions for free. Equally, the most interesting bits of Phoronix
                used to be the comments in the forum, although that's not anymore the
                case as nothing is interesting now. I'm not changing the way I surf the web to
                artificially keep the advertising industry profitable, and certainly I won't do
                it to please anyone, especially somebody whose own ineptitude at marketing his
                project and listening to, and communicate with, his own users reaches insulting
                levels.

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                • #38
                  you don't want to pay
                  you also don't want to see the ads that keep the site running.

                  so you don't want to see this site.


                  Michael's 'attacks' or 'tricks' are nothing but self defense against parasites who want to get everything for free.

                  And this thread shows nicely:

                  those parasites not only exist, they are also becoming very vocal when somebody circumvents their attacks.

                  Yes attacks. You read and post here. You create costs. But you are also blocking the ads generating money. So your visits and postings are harming the site.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by energyman View Post
                    If you dislike ads, buy a membership.
                    To be honest I don't think the content offered by phoronix is worth paying for. In fact most content on the web isn't worth paying for. Yeah I use ad-block, don't like it? Put your content behind a paywall, and see 99% of your readers disappear, LOL.

                    But not buying one and blocking ads is nothing but parasitism.
                    LOL. You really don't want to go there.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by energyman View Post
                      so when was the last time somebody run in a malware loading ad on a legit non-porn related site?

                      Never?

                      Yeah, thought so.

                      If you dislike ads, buy a membership. But not buying one and blocking ads is nothing but parasitism.
                      Oh just some tiny sites that nobody ever goes to like Google, Yahoo, New York Times and Faux News:
                      http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20000898-245.html
                      https://www.pcworld.com/article/1601...s_via_ads.html
                      http://mashable.com/2009/09/15/new-york-times-malware/

                      I'm not paying Larabel till he stops posting sensationalist crap and the review quality goes up to at least the levels of the better Windows hardware sites. I'm not asking for him to build an liquid nitrogen rig like http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/ar...r-CPU-Review/8 just to actually perform tests that will actually show real world usage and to post why X does Y instead of Z in the case of the OSS drivers versus the blobs.

                      But instead of making the site better he's opted to make it worse.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
                        To be honest I don't think the content offered by phoronix is worth paying for. In fact most content on the web isn't worth paying for. Yeah I use ad-block, don't like it? Put your content behind a paywall, and see 99% of your readers disappear, LOL.



                        LOL. You really don't want to go there.
                        Yes, I want to go there.

                        Michael does not force anybody to pay. So he has to put up ads to keep the site running.

                        People like you want the service, generate costs and don't want to give anything back. You act like some ads somewhere are such a big thing - they aren't. All you do is sucking away on his money. Think about that.
                        If the 'content' and the service is not worth paying or having some ads - then both are surely not worth coming here in the first place.

                        You do. So there is something you like. But you refuse to do your share and instead use up ressources. Parasitism, nothing else.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                          Oh just some tiny sites that nobody ever goes to like Google, Yahoo, New York Times and Faux News:
                          http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20000898-245.html
                          https://www.pcworld.com/article/1601...s_via_ads.html
                          http://mashable.com/2009/09/15/new-york-times-malware/

                          I'm not paying Larabel till he stops posting sensationalist crap and the review quality goes up to at least the levels of the better Windows hardware sites. I'm not asking for him to build an liquid nitrogen rig like http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/ar...r-CPU-Review/8 just to actually perform tests that will actually show real world usage and to post why X does Y instead of Z in the case of the OSS drivers versus the blobs.

                          But instead of making the site better he's opted to make it worse.
                          does he forces you to come here? No? If you dislike the site so much, why are you here in the first place? Creating costs? Oh wait - there is some stuff you like. Not enought to pay for. That is ok. But taking away his only other way to get some money to cover for thoses costs? That is just immoral, dishonest and stupid in your part.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by energyman View Post
                            you don't want to pay
                            you also don't want to see the ads that keep the site running.

                            so you don't want to see this site.

                            Michael's 'attacks' or 'tricks' are nothing but self defense against parasites who want to get everything for free.

                            And this thread shows nicely:

                            those parasites not only exist, they are also becoming very vocal when somebody circumvents their attacks.

                            Yes attacks. You read and post here. You create costs. But you are also blocking the ads generating money. So your visits and postings are harming the site.
                            That's correct, I don't want to pay for reading what's available
                            on this site. As stated above:

                            Originally posted by AnonymousCoward
                            To be honest I don't think the content
                            offered by Phoronix is worth paying for.
                            It's really that simple. I don't think you want to try to convince us of
                            the contrary. If you find it worth paying for, do it. Because I
                            don't, I won't. And again: I won't artificially keep the advertising
                            industry profitable. If the model doesn't work, that's just too
                            bad. I'd be more sympathetic to Phoronix cause if I actually liked
                            what's being done over here and I saw more value to the original
                            contents it offers.

                            You don't have to agree, but actually I think my posts, as well as yours
                            and those of the grey mass of Phoronix readers, enrich this site and provide
                            most of its value.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by energyman View Post
                              Yes, I want to go there.

                              Michael does not force anybody to pay. So he has to put up ads to keep the site running.
                              Of course he doesn't force anybody to pay. Because as soon as he tries (e.g. by means of a paywall) most of his readers will disappear like snow for the sun. So he has no choice but to use the ad-funded business model. That there are some people who are not interested in seeing ads, and subsequently block them, is all in the game.
                              Apparently he gets enough money from ads to keep this site running, so his business model is working and I don't see why you're getting so worked up about all this.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by energyman View Post
                                does he forces you to come here? No? If you dislike the site so much, why are you here in the first place? Creating costs? Oh wait - there is some stuff you like. Not enought to pay for. That is ok. But taking away his only other way to get some money to cover for thoses costs? That is just immoral, dishonest and stupid in your part.
                                Lol, for the longest time he was the only option, the Microsoft of OSS review sites, but seeing as thats starting to change and the odds that a given mobo actually doesn't work on Linux is so much lower is fast making him irrelevant unless he ups his game instead of whining and pulling DRM on us. Not to mention that most of "his" content is pulled from mailing lists that most of us check anyways.

                                In fact it's a great parallel, what he's doing is no different then what and MPAA, RIAA, BSA and the rest have been trying for yeas, it's completely ineffective at stopping us and just wastes far more of his time and energy then it does ours since what we're doing it basically "set it and forget it" and every time he comes up with something new it's fairly trivial to to work around it while still blocking the ads.

                                Now that doesn't mean people like me wont pay, I would, but I refuse to pay for shit like this http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTAwMjg I posted at length about how far less then amateurish that was.

                                So since I value journalistic integrity and my own privacy you can see how I see only one "parasite" here and it's name is Michael Larabel.

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