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  • #46
    Originally posted by Panix View Post
    I might disagree with you here. If you're just saying that the situation in the U.S. is cyclical, then I'm say no, it's far worse. The U.S. is destroying their currency.
    Oh, I agree that its worse than cyclical. Its compound and exponentially cyclical. The advantage that the US has over Germany is that it isn't nearly *AS* dependent on foreign trade to sustain its economy -- GDP 15.227 trillion, exports 1.280 trillion = 8.4%. Compared to Germany with GDP 2.5 trillion (euro), exports 1.146 trillion = 45.8%. The other advantage is that the US's main trade partners are Canada, Mexico, China, Japan with Canada and Mexico making up the VAST majority of it, and the US being Canada and Mexico's biggest export partner as well. That makes North America virtually self-sustaining, despite the fact that the complete collapse of the US will bring Canada and Mexico with it. Up to now, Canada has managed to resist the economic problems of the US by NOT following them as far down with bailouts and other stupid crap. Unfortunately for Canada, we, like Germany, do NOT have a self-sustaining economy and depend critically on the US.

    Well, they went to war and that can't sustain an economy forever.
    No, but it can temporarily boost your economy, and very quickly relieve you of debt.... as long as it costs you less to make war than the debt that you owe. Basically, you blow up the bank that owns the mortgage against your house and you no longer need to make your mortgage payments. Not that I advocate this solution to an economic crisis.

    But, the other thing you said about sustaining via exports to countries is mostly right. But, they are bailing out countries and printing money for loans and this is one of the major reasons they are shooting themselves in the foot. They have bank-rolled the Money Changers and all these bailouts and loans is also taking its toll on the Euro (see the Fed with the American dollar) and since the EU is integrated with all these bankrupt or near-bankrupt countries, eventually the balloon will burst. What you didn't say but I will is that Germany doesn't seem to have any strong minds to criticize and rationalize anything. Germany is a country with NO freedoms or liberties. They have no critics, it seems, when it comes to the EU and the economy. The U.S. has people like Ron Paul. Britain at least has Nigel Farage. Who in Germany argues with the Elites and the German Politicians?!? No one that I have heard about.

    Germans just assume these traitor politicians will solve all the problems. Surely, not all Germans can be as oblivious and clueless as Q is?!?

    Q is like an alcoholic who has cases of beer in his basement, a beer fridge and empty bottles covering the entire floor but when you say 'You're an alcoholic', he replies with, 'NO I'M NOT!!!!!'

    They're not self-fulfilling prophecies. It's common sense. You can't devalue your currency and spend forever. You can't print money continuously, indefinitely, forever and spend your way out of problems. There's nothing backing the currency. There are Elites profiting on the corruption, unethical actions and steering Germany and the rest of Europe towards a catastrophic collapse. The US is in for their own collapse and what is scary about this, is the number of countries in such bad shape. The fact many are all integrated in the mess and all these other countries depend on each other is what is most disconcerting. I believe there might be a few countries who may be self-sustaining such as China but even these countries' economies heavily rely on other ones hence why they are purchasing the debt of other countries. The mess with it so integrated and tied with each other is unprecedented, perhaps?

    But, what is truly alarming about Germany, imho, is that people call them a democracy and they have probably some of the worst examples of it. Most so-called Western democracies are frauds but Germany has no principles or values for freedoms and liberties and at least Americans used to care about them. They have the Constitution but so many people are dumbed down and brainwashed that they might not care once things go REALLY BAD. These times might be known as the 'good times' before then. Too many people are really weak-minded and brainwashed then that the Elites might have a field day as they easily transform Germany into another police state. The U.S. and other countries, too. That's basically what happens when things go bad and there's resistance from the populace. The people are shocked at the changes and when they rebel, the corrupt, unethical politicians immediately resort to such tactics.
    It would seem that we are on the same page

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
      Democracy != freedom
      Democracy != liberty
      Democracy != decision of the smartest
      Democracy = mob,crowd,rabble,pack,herd,pride,horde,swarm
      Democracy = the stupidest of the broadest masses
      Mobocracy = Democracy
      Liberty = Anarchism
      Freedom = Anarchism


      you just have no clue about the words you are using in your writings.

      you just don't mean what you are writing you just don't write about democracy because democracy is a complete different kind of stuff than your point.

      you want Anarchism the true one not the "evil"anormalism"fake anarchism"

      in an 100% true Democracy the stupidest mob force you to be a slavery without any freedom!

      but most people don't want true democracy they want decision of the smartest "bureaucracy"

      also in a true Democracy there are no human rights if 51% vote to kill you then you are death in no time.
      Strangly, you actually make a good point here. You're right. Democracy is a farce. It is rule by the dumbest.

      In theory, as you say, a pure/true democracy can't work properly. That is why most of the democratic systems in place have a certain set of rules to protect human rights against the mob. In the case of Germany, this would be the Grundgesetz. How effective this document happens to be, is obviously up for debate, similarly to how the Constitution of the United states is quite thoroughly undermined (despite the greatest of intentions of those who drafted it), democracy and corruption consistently strip away the rights of people to their liberties and freedoms. And the problem, of course, is that the democratic mob frequently places power in the hands of people who are thoroughly corrupt. Sometimes, by luck, into the hands of people who actually do good, but this is, unfortunately, rare.

      Now the point made was, of course, not that Germany was non-democratic, but that those in power are corrupt and that the Grundgesetz isn't strong enough to protect the German population from the democracy.

      Lets see how much you know about history.... Some time after the first world war, the Nazi party formed, eventually obtained control through democratic and corrupt process.... The times were very turbulent with friction between the right (nazi-ish) and the left (communism). Like we have now, there was a very noisy left with labor strikes and various other opposition to sensible economic process. This happened under then-chancellor Hitler. In fact, the left got so bold and out of control that they attacked the parliament building in Berlin, which gave Hitler the leverage he needed to convince Hindenburg to suspend civil liberties, dissolve parliament, and force an election -- in which the Nazis and their allies achieved a majority control over parliament. They used this majority to produce the Enabling Act, which allowed them to dissolve the constitution and basically do whatever the hell they wanted.

      Fun, huh? And this all came about by an economic crisis.

      Anyway, with back-to-work legislation, and imprisonment of enemies of the state (communists, mostly), they were able to force the labor force back into a productive state -- through the manufacture of war machines.

      Now naturally, if you have lots of war machines, you need to use it to control your enemies and force them to build more war machines. You build a strong enough military to cease paying damages owed as a result of the first world war without anyone out there bold enough to force you. At least not soon enough.

      It really is an interesting thing. That battle between the left and the right. When the left gets violent, what do you do? You throw them in jail. The worse the economic situation gets, the more violent the left becomes. The more violent the left becomes, the more important it is to stop them from destructive behavior. Eventually, it spirals out of control and you have no alternative besides declaring martial law / police state. If the guy in charge happens to be a corrupt and destructive sonofabitch who is still pissed off about losing the first world war, bad things can happen. If your targets are all weak due to economic collapse, when is there a better opportunity to take over?

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Panix View Post
        What you didn't say but I will is that Germany doesn't seem to have any strong minds to criticize and rationalize anything. Germany is a country with NO freedoms or liberties.
        You keep repeating the same lies over and over again. What specific freedoms does Germany lack?

        Originally posted by Panix View Post
        The U.S. has people like Ron Paul. Britain at least has Nigel Farage. Who in Germany argues with the Elites and the German Politicians?!? No one that I have heard about.
        Yeah, and guess what? I have never heard of Ron Paul or Nigel Farage either. And frankly, after reading their Wikipedia entries, both of them seem to be ideologically bullheaded lunkheads to me.

        Originally posted by Panix View Post
        Germans just assume these traitor politicians will solve all the problems. Surely, not all Germans can be as oblivious and clueless as Q is?!?

        Q is like an alcoholic who has cases of beer in his basement, a beer fridge and empty bottles covering the entire floor but when you say 'You're an alcoholic', he replies with, 'NO I'M NOT!!!!!'
        For once, I agree with you. Q is, in fact, a goofball too.

        Originally posted by Panix View Post
        But, what is truly alarming about Germany, imho, is that people call them a democracy and they have probably some of the worst examples of it. Most so-called Western democracies are frauds but Germany has no principles or values for freedoms and liberties and at least Americans used to care about them.
        Yeah right. So, when did you last care about freedom and liberties? Was is when you deliberately made up evidence for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq in order to start a war? Or was it when you decided to open concentration camps in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay, the latter persisting to this day?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
          For once, I agree with you. Q is, in fact, a goofball too.
          no big point here I'm only a human

          Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
          Yeah right. So, when did you last care about freedom and liberties? Was is when you deliberately made up evidence for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq in order to start a war? Or was it when you decided to open concentration camps in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay, the latter persisting to this day?
          i already point out that he don't talk about democracy at all.

          democracy are not freedom and not liberty ,,,

          democracy are the bad evil stupid mob hung you on the next tree.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
            Strangly, you actually make a good point here. You're right. Democracy is a farce. It is rule by the dumbest.
            hey nice thank you very much yes good point and because of this point Panix only talk bullshit!
            he talks about democracy is freedom and liberty LOL what a farce.
            yes the freedom of the mob killing you and the liberty of the mob slavery you.

            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
            In theory, as you say, a pure/true democracy can't work properly.
            yes because of this there are no democracies at all in no place of the world.
            there are only "Republicans" with an strong rule-set to force the dumbest to make not the worst choice.
            but this rule-sets is anti democratic human rights are anti-democratic.


            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
            That is why most of the democratic systems in place have a certain set of rules to protect human rights against the mob.
            because of this there are no democratic systems at all!
            these systems are all republics. with only a tiny and small "democracy part"

            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
            In the case of Germany, this would be the Grundgesetz.
            wrong example! because "grundgesetz=basiclaw" is not a constitution
            because only a sovereign state can have a constitution but germany do have the UN-encarta "Enemy state clause" this means USA/GB/france/russia can always claim there natural right on the complete german territory.
            this means germany is not a sovereign state and germany do not have a constitution.

            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
            How effective this document happens to be, is obviously up for debate, similarly to how the Constitution of the United states is quite thoroughly undermined (despite the greatest of intentions of those who drafted it), democracy and corruption consistently strip away the rights of people to their liberties and freedoms. And the problem, of course, is that the democratic mob frequently places power in the hands of people who are thoroughly corrupt. Sometimes, by luck, into the hands of people who actually do good, but this is, unfortunately, rare.
            sure its the nature of natural physics that this is always a failure.

            if you make a rule someone will break the rule.

            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
            Now the point made was, of course, not that Germany was non-democratic, but that those in power are corrupt and that the Grundgesetz isn't strong enough to protect the German population from the democracy.
            ok then germany do not have a problem because: Germany is not a Democratic its a republic and the "grundgesetz" is not a constitution because of the "Enemy state clause"

            you fail by word definition (but i get what you are meaning)


            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
            Lets see how much you know about history.... Some time after the first world war, the Nazi party formed, eventually obtained control through democratic and corrupt process.... The times were very turbulent with friction between the right (nazi-ish) and the left (communism). Like we have now, there was a very noisy left with labor strikes and various other opposition to sensible economic process. This happened under then-chancellor Hitler. In fact, the left got so bold and out of control that they attacked the parliament building in Berlin,
            LOL you are wrong but most of the people know this wrong.

            the attack of the parliament building was a false flak attack.

            Wikipedia on this tropic: "Die Regierung beeinflusste das Verfahren von Anfang an. Der die Untersuchung leitende Richter wurde zu Beginn durch einen Mann des Regimes ersetzt, der konsequent alle Entlastungsanträge der Beschuldigten ablehnte. Dimitrow war fünf Monate lang ständig mit eisernen Handschellen gefesselt, die Schmerzen verursachten. Er musste sogar Briefe an das Gericht und seinen Anwalt in diesen Fesseln schreiben. Das Gericht bestellte einen Anwalt für Dimitroff. Mehrere Versuche Dimitroffs, einen Anwalt seines Vertrauens zu erhalten, scheiterten. Der erste Anwalt Dimitroffs, Werner Wille, den noch Kurt Rosenfeld vor seiner Flucht vermittelt hatte, gab sein Mandat zurück, andere von Dimitrow gewählte Verteidiger lehnte das Gericht ab.[9] Dazu gehörten auch ausländische Anwälte wie der Menschenrechtsanwalt Vincent de Moro-Giafferi und andere."

            in english google translate"The government influence on the process from the beginning. The judge conducting the inquiry has been replaced by a man at the beginning of the regime, who consistently refused all requests to discharge the accused. Dimitrov was five months continuously shackled with iron handcuffs that caused the pain. He even had to write letters to the court and his lawyer in these shackles. The court appointed a lawyer for Dimitrov. Several attempts Dimitrov, to obtain an attorney of his confidence failed. The first lawyer Dimitrov, Werner will that had Kurt Rosenfeld taught before his escape, returned his mandate, others by Dimitrov elected defenders refused by the court. [9] This included foreign lawyers and human rights lawyer Vincent de Moro-Giafferi and other."

            "Die Richter, sowohl von der Presse wie auch der Regierung kritisch beobachtet, erwiesen sich gegenüber Dimitrow als hilflos. Ihre einzige Waffe war dessen mehrfacher Ausschluss vom Verfahren."

            "The Judges, both by the press as well as the Government observes critically, proved to be helpless against Dimitrov. Their only weapon was his repeated exclusion from the proceedings."

            "Bemerkenswert ist, dass einige Zeugen, die als Inhaftierte in Konzentrationslagern unter Druck gegen die Angeklagten ausgesagt hatten, vor Gericht ihre Aussage widerriefen. "

            "It is worth noting that some witnesses who had testified as prisoners in concentration camps under pressure against the defendant recanted in court their testimony."

            "Im Wiederaufnahmeverfahren hat das Landgericht Berlin 1967 das Urteil gegen van der Lubbe bezüglich des Hochverrats aufgehoben, [...]wiederaufgenommen und van der Lubbe in allen Punkten freigesprochen, [...] Auf Grundlage eines Gesetzes aus dem Jahr 1998 wurde das Urteil gegen van der Lubbe im Januar 2008 nunmehr vollständig aufgehoben, weil die verhängte Todesstrafe auf „spezifisch nationalsozialistischen Unrechtsvorschriften“ beruhte. "

            ""In the retrial, the district court of Berlin in 1967, the verdict against van der Lubbe has regard to the repeal of treason, and resumed [...] van der Lubbe acquitted on all points, was [...] On the basis of a law dating from 1998, the verdict against van der Lubbe in January 2008 is now completely abolished, because the death penalty imposed on "specific provisions of the National Socialist injustice" was based. ""

            so there is no prove for your claim.

            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
            which gave Hitler the leverage he needed to convince Hindenburg to suspend civil liberties, dissolve parliament, and force an election -- in which the Nazis and their allies achieved a majority control over parliament. They used this majority to produce the Enabling Act, which allowed them to dissolve the constitution and basically do whatever the hell they wanted.
            Fun, huh? And this all came about by an economic crisis.
            the only funny part is your wrongness in the key-point.

            they just do this by dirty tricks and you just seeding lies "the left got so bold and out of control that they attacked the parliament building" this part is complete wrong.

            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
            Anyway, with back-to-work legislation, and imprisonment of enemies of the state (communists, mostly), they were able to force the labor force back into a productive state -- through the manufacture of war machines.
            the Farly tale about the enemy "communists" are just FUD!

            they always do false flak attack to manipulate the citizens to believe the communists are the enemy.

            there are multiple proves for this: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio



            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
            Now naturally, if you have lots of war machines, you need to use it to control your enemies and force them to build more war machines. You build a strong enough military to cease paying damages owed as a result of the first world war without anyone out there bold enough to force you. At least not soon enough.
            It really is an interesting thing. That battle between the left and the right. When the left gets violent, what do you do? You throw them in jail. The worse the economic situation gets, the more violent the left becomes. The more violent the left becomes, the more important it is to stop them from destructive behavior. Eventually, it spirals out of control and you have no alternative besides declaring martial law / police state. If the guy in charge happens to be a corrupt and destructive sonofabitch who is still pissed off about losing the first world war, bad things can happen. If your targets are all weak due to economic collapse, when is there a better opportunity to take over?
            please check your sources your Farly tales don't hold any audit.

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            • #51
              Many people should watch movie called "memoria del saqueo" available on youtube with English subtitles.That`s a story about Argentina and recent events in UE ( Greece, Spain , Italy ) that look the same. It`s not conspiracy theory but really true fact. Poland, my country, is falling down, too. People flee to other country like Germany, UK, looking for money to pay off mortgage etc.

              About Germany and history of my country ...it`s too long story to write here .

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              • #52
                I did send yesterday a sue to the social court against one arm of our goverment, because they deny me my constitutional rights, the right of a human dignaty live (minimal payment for living) because I did not apply to jobs that fitt not my carreer joice. Such free choice is also granted by our constitution and both are also human rights.

                So I know that germany is not much better than any dictatorship. I will not say that its exactly the same but the difference are very small.

                So that said, I dont get why someone would say that germany is worse than all the other goverments or countrys, especially like america, you have even the death sentence so you live there in the dark ages of middle Ages. That you stopped burning of witches is nearly a wonder.

                So yes our currencys crashes but thats system-immanent, printing more money can slow down that, because high inflation destroys some money and with that the same amount of debts.

                But holding this anti-social system which transfairs the money over the interest from the poor to the rich is nothing we should keep alive. I am not the big fan of creating a new money system but it seems our old is a total faulty design so it seems we have to do this or we are on the same point in some years again, because exponential groth cant work long.

                But my main concern is that in a world with growing joblessness we need a basic income grant as minimal line so that we can enjoy our very very rich (in productivity and goods production) countrys and are free to do stuff moraly and think about all, and are no longer that blackmail fragile. and more free. Yes we maybe have to let go some abundance but therefore we maybe become more quality instead of the quantaty of trash most consume today.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                  Mr FunkyRider are you so bored and useless in real life that you need to blame others in this forum? Go get a job would be better!
                  Germany will be a better place without stupid jackass like Q. Precisely because of YOUR stubborn and senseless bullshit on the web, a lot of people's impression of Germany have gone down! You should shut the hell up and do you and your mom something good!

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                    hey nice thank you very much yes good point and because of this point Panix only talk bullshit!
                    he talks about democracy is freedom and liberty LOL what a farce.
                    yes the freedom of the mob killing you and the liberty of the mob slavery you.



                    yes because of this there are no democracies at all in no place of the world.
                    there are only "Republicans" with an strong rule-set to force the dumbest to make not the worst choice.
                    but this rule-sets is anti democratic human rights are anti-democratic.




                    because of this there are no democratic systems at all!
                    these systems are all republics. with only a tiny and small "democracy part"



                    wrong example! because "grundgesetz=basiclaw" is not a constitution
                    because only a sovereign state can have a constitution but germany do have the UN-encarta "Enemy state clause" this means USA/GB/france/russia can always claim there natural right on the complete german territory.
                    this means germany is not a sovereign state and germany do not have a constitution.



                    sure its the nature of natural physics that this is always a failure.

                    if you make a rule someone will break the rule.



                    ok then germany do not have a problem because: Germany is not a Democratic its a republic and the "grundgesetz" is not a constitution because of the "Enemy state clause"

                    you fail by word definition (but i get what you are meaning)




                    LOL you are wrong but most of the people know this wrong.

                    the attack of the parliament building was a false flak attack.

                    Wikipedia on this tropic: "Die Regierung beeinflusste das Verfahren von Anfang an. Der die Untersuchung leitende Richter wurde zu Beginn durch einen Mann des Regimes ersetzt, der konsequent alle Entlastungsanträge der Beschuldigten ablehnte. Dimitrow war fünf Monate lang ständig mit eisernen Handschellen gefesselt, die Schmerzen verursachten. Er musste sogar Briefe an das Gericht und seinen Anwalt in diesen Fesseln schreiben. Das Gericht bestellte einen Anwalt für Dimitroff. Mehrere Versuche Dimitroffs, einen Anwalt seines Vertrauens zu erhalten, scheiterten. Der erste Anwalt Dimitroffs, Werner Wille, den noch Kurt Rosenfeld vor seiner Flucht vermittelt hatte, gab sein Mandat zurück, andere von Dimitrow gewählte Verteidiger lehnte das Gericht ab.[9] Dazu gehörten auch ausländische Anwälte wie der Menschenrechtsanwalt Vincent de Moro-Giafferi und andere."

                    in english google translate"The government influence on the process from the beginning. The judge conducting the inquiry has been replaced by a man at the beginning of the regime, who consistently refused all requests to discharge the accused. Dimitrov was five months continuously shackled with iron handcuffs that caused the pain. He even had to write letters to the court and his lawyer in these shackles. The court appointed a lawyer for Dimitrov. Several attempts Dimitrov, to obtain an attorney of his confidence failed. The first lawyer Dimitrov, Werner will that had Kurt Rosenfeld taught before his escape, returned his mandate, others by Dimitrov elected defenders refused by the court. [9] This included foreign lawyers and human rights lawyer Vincent de Moro-Giafferi and other."

                    "Die Richter, sowohl von der Presse wie auch der Regierung kritisch beobachtet, erwiesen sich gegenüber Dimitrow als hilflos. Ihre einzige Waffe war dessen mehrfacher Ausschluss vom Verfahren."

                    "The Judges, both by the press as well as the Government observes critically, proved to be helpless against Dimitrov. Their only weapon was his repeated exclusion from the proceedings."

                    "Bemerkenswert ist, dass einige Zeugen, die als Inhaftierte in Konzentrationslagern unter Druck gegen die Angeklagten ausgesagt hatten, vor Gericht ihre Aussage widerriefen. "

                    "It is worth noting that some witnesses who had testified as prisoners in concentration camps under pressure against the defendant recanted in court their testimony."

                    "Im Wiederaufnahmeverfahren hat das Landgericht Berlin 1967 das Urteil gegen van der Lubbe bezüglich des Hochverrats aufgehoben, [...]wiederaufgenommen und van der Lubbe in allen Punkten freigesprochen, [...] Auf Grundlage eines Gesetzes aus dem Jahr 1998 wurde das Urteil gegen van der Lubbe im Januar 2008 nunmehr vollständig aufgehoben, weil die verhängte Todesstrafe auf „spezifisch nationalsozialistischen Unrechtsvorschriften“ beruhte. "

                    ""In the retrial, the district court of Berlin in 1967, the verdict against van der Lubbe has regard to the repeal of treason, and resumed [...] van der Lubbe acquitted on all points, was [...] On the basis of a law dating from 1998, the verdict against van der Lubbe in January 2008 is now completely abolished, because the death penalty imposed on "specific provisions of the National Socialist injustice" was based. ""

                    so there is no prove for your claim.



                    the only funny part is your wrongness in the key-point.

                    they just do this by dirty tricks and you just seeding lies "the left got so bold and out of control that they attacked the parliament building" this part is complete wrong.



                    the Farly tale about the enemy "communists" are just FUD!

                    they always do false flak attack to manipulate the citizens to believe the communists are the enemy.

                    there are multiple proves for this: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio





                    please check your sources your Farly tales don't hold any audit.
                    Q: You're twisting my words and clearly lack reading comprehension -- I'll assume that to be due to the language barrier. I didn't say that the Nazis attained absolute control through purely democratic means. I said through democratic AND CORRUPT means. They were elected by the people into the position of power. First before the attack on parliament (which as you state, "false flak attack"), and then MANIPULATED the STUPID people into blaming it on the communists (again as you said, the communist thing was pure FUD -- I totally agree!!!!), and used THAT to attain a majority control over parliament, etc., etc., etc.

                    Fact is that there are still stupid people who can be easily manipulated through similar means, and there are still corrupt people who would manipulate the stupid people. All they need before they can seize power again is sufficient economic stress to build resentment between the right and the left.

                    And FYI: I never said that Germany had a constitution. I never said that the grundgesetz was a constitution. But it is the closest thing that Germany HAS to one, and it serves a lot of the same purposes. Specifically, it does include the purpose of protecting human rights from the mob.
                    Last edited by droidhacker; 11-18-2011, 08:38 AM.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                      Q: You're twisting my words and clearly lack reading comprehension -- I'll assume that to be due to the language barrier. I didn't say that the Nazis attained absolute control through purely democratic means. I said through democratic AND CORRUPT means. They were elected by the people into the position of power. First before the attack on parliament (which as you state, "false flak attack"), and then MANIPULATED the STUPID people into blaming it on the communists (again as you said, the communist thing was pure FUD -- I totally agree!!!!), and used THAT to attain a majority control over parliament, etc., etc., etc.

                      Fact is that there are still stupid people who can be easily manipulated through similar means, and there are still corrupt people who would manipulate the stupid people. All they need before they can seize power again is sufficient economic stress to build resentment between the right and the left.

                      And FYI: I never said that Germany had a constitution. I never said that the grundgesetz was a constitution. But it is the closest thing that Germany HAS to one, and it serves a lot of the same purposes. Specifically, it does include the purpose of protecting human rights from the mob.
                      wow yes now is all clear yes... now i agree to all of you points.

                      "Fact is that there are still stupid people who can be easily manipulated "

                      yes very easy.

                      Trueness isn't easy at all... most people call for democracy(or the light version Republic) and they call for freedom or liberty but in the end this all has nothing to do with Trueness any democracy,rebublic,freedome or liberty can be used against the Trueness.

                      An example is Poland and nuclear power Germany quit nuclear power and Poland will build new Nuclear power plants but not in any places no Poland will build this near Germany what a irony.
                      They really should be forced to build this in the inner place of Poland far away from Germany and then if it fail the Poland people are doomed and the Germans not but in the reality they build this close to German because they think if something fail its only 50% Poland land destroyed the other 50% is Germany.

                      The trueness about nuclear power is if you want to quit then you have to start a war against your neighbors because all neighbors build there nuclear power plants near by Germany France for example most of there nuclear power plants are near by Germany. and its there intention to share the risk to the Germans.

                      In the end Germany quit and all neighbors build nuclear power plants all around Germany.

                      Germany should leave the euro zone and stop paying subsidy to europe and they should start a Embargo against all neighbors with nuclear power placed near by germany.

                      hard words i know but "Trueness" isn't soft.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                        An example is Poland and nuclear power Germany quit nuclear power and Poland will build new Nuclear power plants but not in any places no Poland will build this near Germany what a irony.
                        They really should be forced to build this in the inner place of Poland far away from Germany and then if it fail the Poland people are doomed and the Germans not but in the reality they build this close to German because they think if something fail its only 50% Poland land destroyed the other 50% is Germany.
                        That's called risk-aversion, and is totally understandable. It is also something that Germany could participate in.
                        Do realize that nuclear power plants have come a long way since Chernobyl.
                        And FYI: I live under 20 km from a nuclear power plant.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                          And FYI: I live under 20 km from a nuclear power plant.
                          LOL. That's why you are acting so WEIRD. I thought WTF is wrong with this guy. But now I UNDERSTAND.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                            I live under 20 km from a nuclear power plant.
                            I live under 15 km away from a high dangerous nuclear power plant.
                            high dangerous because its earth quake zone and its a "Fukushima-class" one.
                            http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberrheinische_Tiefebene
                            http://www.bund.net/themen_und_proje...hren/erdbeben/


                            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                            That's called risk-aversion, and is totally understandable. It is also something that Germany could participate in.
                            risk-aversion... sure the true risk-aversion should be germany quit europe zone and start a embargo against Poland, France and other nuclear-power neighbors.

                            only a economic war make sure the neighbors understand the point of view of the Germans about nuclear power.

                            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                            Do realize that nuclear power plants have come a long way since Chernobyl.
                            And FYI:
                            LOL ALL 59 nuclear power plants from France are a risk and not secure.

                            this means NO ONE HANDLE NUCLEAR POWER SAVE.

                            but yes only Germany because they quit the nuclear power.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
                              LOL. That's why you are acting so WEIRD. I thought WTF is wrong with this guy. But now I UNDERSTAND.

                              LOL you made my day but i can top that i live near by a nuclear power plant in a earth quake zone. "neckarwestheim"

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                                LOL you made my day but i can top that i live near by a nuclear power plant in a earth quake zone. "neckarwestheim"
                                Yeah, and you are even weirder than this droidhacker guy

                                btw. "neckarwestheim" is that german for Springfield Nuclear Power Plant.


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