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  • #21
    Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
    and the Chinese people don't try.
    That is a pretty broad sweeping statement that stereotypes.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by deanjo View Post
      That is a pretty broad sweeping statement that stereotypes.
      Today is your political correctness day ?

      They don't care they only care about cheap energy.

      Compare it we Germany pay 25-30 cent per 1 KW electric energy.
      The Chinese pay only 8-10 cent.

      ok maybe they are to poor to pay more.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
        Today is your political correctness day ?

        They don't care they only care about cheap energy.

        Compare it we Germany pay 25-30 cent per 1 KW electric energy.
        The Chinese pay only 8-10 cent.

        ok maybe they are to poor to pay more.
        Ratio wise, the Chinese are already paying more given that the average German household earns 4x the average Chinese household earnings.


        Edit: One other thing I would also like to point out about China and power. If you have ever been there then you would also know that there are large intentional scheduled power blackouts in many areas of the country due to them being unable to provide sufficient power to everyone at the same time.
        Last edited by deanjo; 11-05-2011, 10:56 AM.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by deanjo View Post
          Ratio wise, the Chinese are already paying more given that the average German household earns 4x the average Chinese household earnings.
          Edit: One other thing I would also like to point out about China and power. If you have ever been there then you would also know that there are large intentional scheduled power blackouts in many areas of the country due to them being unable to provide sufficient power to everyone at the same time.
          Sure but what is the point? the Germans try there best! Ok maybe the Chinese people also try there best.

          but 1 is for sure the Germans can not save the hole world..

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          • #25
            lol please dont bitching country vs country, we all are not guilty therefore in which country we are born, and there are not 100% insane same thinking americans and 100% sane thinking germans or chinese people who are one country the good ones and the other the bad.

            Its more like 1-10% of the people in all this countrys decide at least in most cases in which direction the "country" is going, and I do not mean the politicans.

            So to blame america as country is legit a bit, but we europeans are not much better. But to bitch against chinese people is stupid, they are not on the same economic level like we are and they do per person produce less co2.

            But the biggest laugh got me that insulting of germany because eu is nearly on breaking from an american, because america is nearly as much in debt as greece is, and greece is officialy now bust.
            But I will not blame that on all americans I blame the 1-10% of the people who have the power in all our countries. But we need another solution for that, we need more direct democracy and we need basic income grant, so all the people in america who are not guilty but do not find now jobs are not doomed to die on the street of cold or even of starving.

            In the last 50 years or so there was never a time where we had enough work for all people so it will never happen.
            But yes that will not solve all problems, we should think about another currency, with negative interesst, rusting money, so that people are interested in giving it away fast so that not the rich hold back there money to make more on it and with each dollar they get through the possitive interest now, someone have 1 dollar more debts.

            If you not get that, google after "Joseph’s cent" its just math there is no room for interpretation its logical that it cannot work like we do it, we can reset it and repeat the last 30-50 years till we are on the same point, its a bit like in the matrix, they did also remake the matrix again and again but they did not get it perfekt that it could hold forever. Ok maybe the reasons for that was different, but the outcome is the same, we have to restart the matrix or we have to make it completly different or pull the power connector.

            I dont want back in pre industrial times somebody even wants that, but we need to make a balance between money driven stuff and moral driven stuff, if we say to people here you can have moral and starve to death or you have money, they will decide mostly into being unmoral, destroying earth to live a good live for next 30 years. I will not have a non-dynamic socialism or something like that where everybody becomes the same money and politicans decide all whats going on, I want a free world so that anybody is free even to say no to some stuff, today you have to take each job and do whatever you are told to do in work-time, thats not good for our earth.

            I want also a world where its easy and if you not invest heavily also nearly risk-less to found a small company. And where we are social and businessfriendly and free, a liberal aproach that is also social, here in germany the most unsocial party was the liberal party, they dont understand that if you have only the choice to die and to do what you are told is no freedom. So they just go under our 5% hürde into meaninglessness, the fdp we call em Fast Drei Prozent (Nearly three percent) the got 18 per cent in the last ellection so they are totaly crashing, thank god ! ^^

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
              I'm not a racist and the tropic is not about racist at all.

              the biggest difference is: the German try to save CO2 Polluting

              and the Chinese people don't try.
              You can pat yourself on the back on how good the Germans are, but per capita the German is still a bigger polluter than the Chinese.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
                You can pat yourself on the back on how good the Germans are, but per capita the German is still a bigger polluter than the Chinese.
                ok but i count the good will and the Germans try to lower the CO2 Pollution.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                  I dont want back in pre industrial times somebody even wants that, but we need to make a balance between money driven stuff and moral driven stuff, if we say to people here you can have moral and starve to death or you have money, they will decide mostly into being unmoral, destroying earth to live a good live for next 30 years. I will not have a non-dynamic socialism or something like that where everybody becomes the same money and politicans decide all whats going on, I want a free world so that anybody is free even to say no to some stuff, today you have to take each job and do whatever you are told to do in work-time, thats not good for our earth.

                  I want also a world where its easy and if you not invest heavily also nearly risk-less to found a small company. And where we are social and businessfriendly and free, a liberal aproach that is also social, here in germany the most unsocial party was the liberal party, they dont understand that if you have only the choice to die and to do what you are told is no freedom. So they just go under our 5% hürde into meaninglessness, the fdp we call em Fast Drei Prozent (Nearly three percent) the got 18 per cent in the last ellection so they are totaly crashing, thank god ! ^^
                  You will get something like 'pre-industrial' times. People will be forced to work and Germans hope they can transfer their manufacturing over to other products. They might be 2nd or 3rd for some industries but when you have no basic needs, shoes, food etc., you will be sorry!

                  So, you are German, too?!? You support the EU, SPD, CDU etc.? I can't believe how many fools there are in Germany!!!!

                  You don't realize that Germany and the EU will collapse even though it's staring you full in the face! The Elites and Merkel don't mind this happening.... it's all a farce...Wow, is all I can say!

                  Bragging about having a hair less of carbon gas CO2 than some other country is absolutely ridiculous!
                  Last edited by Panix; 11-05-2011, 12:00 PM.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Panix View Post
                    Bragging about having a hair less of carbon gas CO2 than some other country is absolutely ridiculous!
                    I think his point was that people in his country are conscious of the issue and improving, which is great. However, there are plenty of people in the U.S. who have switched to cleaner energy and/or made conservation efforts, just as I'm sure Germany has its share of people who don't give a fsck. It hasn't helped that our country has been run by an administration (a.k.a. the Texas Taliban) sympathetic to (and financially invested in) oil barons for the better part of this millennium.
                    So take your flag and.. put it away (I'm feeling nice today).

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Panix View Post
                      You don't realize that Germany and the EU will collapse even though it's staring you full in the face! The Elites and Merkel don't mind this happening.... it's all a farce...Wow, is all I can say!

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