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  • #46
    Originally posted by duby229 View Post
    Sure I'll give the nazis credit for their technical prowess. Its a fact that the nazi germans pioneered many of the technologies that we take for granted today. But it doesnt mean that they werent evil.
    I think you do not realize that the Nazis just exploit as slave the German inventor and scientist.

    For example the inventor of the computer "Zuse" Conrad Zuse only work for the nazis as a scientist because he do not want go in the war as a soldier.

    the US better won the war in 1945 because maybe A few years later they fight against computer driven cyborg robots. (this sentence is a joke)

    Originally posted by duby229 View Post
    Also you can thank the US for your democracy. People around the world refuse to admit it, but we ARE good at nation building.
    Sure but democracy is an European discovery the "Färöer" discovery it 1500 years ago. the European also do have the oldest still working parliament 1300 years old.

    Any yes i give the us people credit for there FED-credit-Money system with that system they can build many slave nations. ;-) (this sentence is not a joke)

    and yes Democracy is great i love it

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
      I think you do not realize that the Nazis just exploit as slave the German inventor and scientist.

      For example the inventor of the computer "Zuse" Conrad Zuse only work for the nazis as a scientist because he do not want go in the war as a soldier.

      the US better won the war in 1945 because maybe A few years later they fight against computer driven cyborg robots. (this sentence is a joke)



      Sure but democracy is an European discovery the "Färöer" discovery it 1500 years ago. the European also do have the oldest still working parliament 1300 years old.

      Any yes i give the us people credit for there FED-credit-Money system with that system they can build many slave nations. ;-) (this sentence is not a joke)

      and yes Democracy is great i love it
      Lets give credit where credit is due.... Democracy was first invented by the Helenistic Greeks thousands of years ago.

      Your delusional about slave nations... The Soviet Union had slave nations, of which North Germany was one of them... Personally I'm proud of capitalism, it is the only form of commerce that works. Socialism has been the direct cause of collapse of every major society going all the way back to the Egyptian Empire.. I mean really how many times does an ideology have to fail before people realize that it does not work.

      If nobody earns their own way, and everybody wants a free ride, then the system will fail.... TANSTAAFL

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      • #48
        Originally posted by duby229 View Post
        Lets give credit where credit is due.... Democracy was first invented by the Helenistic Greeks thousands of years ago.
        As i know the old Greeks only do have democracy in ''autonomous urban management' they still have a "King"
        self-administration for a king isn't democracy.
        Färöer do have a De facto democracy nation 1500 years ago.
        but yes maybe we have to give credit still for the idea!

        Originally posted by duby229 View Post
        Your delusional about slave nations... The Soviet Union had slave nations, of which North Germany was one of them...
        you can not prove a evil person as a good person only because there are a more evil person...


        Originally posted by duby229 View Post
        Personally I'm proud of capitalism
        i don't talk about capitalism as a nation solution i talk about capitalism as a private tool to slave people.
        get it the FED is Private! and not Government driven!
        I'm proud of the European capitalism because the EZB is Government driven.
        compared to the EZB/EU system the USA system is just a bad joke.

        a joke about poor people and rich people and the rich people force the poor people to slavery nothing more to say here.

        Originally posted by duby229 View Post
        , it is the only form of commerce that works. Socialism has been the direct cause of collapse of every major society going all the way back to the Egyptian Empire.. I mean really how many times does an ideology have to fail before people realize that it does not work.
        its not about capitalism for an solution for a commerce its about a solution for the society and germany right now do have a kind of "Socialism" "Soziale Marktwirtschaft" and it works well.

        now what you are shocked ? i help you to translate the German word Sozial=Social Marktwirtschaft=lism

        is Germany now evil and damned to fail ?

        man you watch to much bad movies.

        Originally posted by duby229 View Post
        If nobody earns their own way, and everybody wants a free ride, then the system will fail.... TANSTAAFL
        Germany works in that way the last 70 years.

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        • #49
          Germany is practically a fascist country. Way too many restrictions on freedoms that are treated as illegal. The German politicians aren't dictators? Um, forcing the EU on other countries?

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgNakvL728A

          Merkel et el. (CDU, SPD, Greens etc., virtually all mainstream parties in Germany) are shills for these elites and bankers.

          The U.S. is on their way to becoming a police state also, as well as other countries.

          Obviously, democracy doesn't work. You have to be informed, have some common sense and value thinking.
          Last edited by Panix; 10-09-2011, 12:33 AM.

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          • #50
            the topic is going very far away from steve jobs , may be because there are not so many jobs on the market....
            for the rest like evilness of germans .... some better had learned at school that nazism came with big powerty in germany .
            a lot of europeans jews were killed during ww2 but a lot of them went in the usa with a lot of money.....
            66 years after the end of ww2 , at that time the usa was the bank of the world , the usa is one of of the weakest economy and democracy of the world . its job is only to defend usrahell at "all cost"

            usrahell is well described by pacifists http://palsolidarity.org/ and everyday life there is , for no-jews , like http://french.irib.ir/component/k2/i...renvers%C3%A9e

            while south of the usa and more and more of it , is burning at the hardest level ...

            http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/

            it started in the texas : the land where live gwbush , the man of the no-inside-job-9-11-2001 and of the NO-CLIMATE-CHANGE . the second being for sure THE next : " NAZISM "

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            • #51
              Originally posted by duby229 View Post
              Sure I'll give the nazis credit for their technical prowess. Its a fact that the nazi germans pioneered many of the technologies that we take for granted today. But it doesnt mean that they werent evil. Also you can thank the US for your democracy. People around the world refuse to admit it, but we ARE good at nation building.
              You can't be serious.

              US government is even worse than Nazis. At least Nazis were clear about the fact that it was a dictatorship and their purposes. With them, you knew clearly who to fight, they didn't hide behind the curtains. US government it's the worse, he goes all around the globe (thanks to its ignorant citizens like you)
              stealing resources from other nations with the excuse that they want to export their "democracy".

              But Chile had their democratically elected president Allende, whose guilt was to not make the interests of the US corporations, so US democratic government killed him and installed their puppet Dictator
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende

              And what about Enrico Mattei? He was Italian public administrator responsible for the ENI . He was guilt because he:
              negotiated important oil concessions in the Middle East as well as a significant trade agreement with the Soviet Union which helped break the oligopoly of the 'Seven Sisters' that dominated the mid 20th century oil industry. He also introduced the principle whereby the country that owned exploited oil reserves received 75% of the profits.[1]
              And that was a bad thing for the US democracy..so they killed him.
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Mattei

              Or all the intervention in Central America?
              http://www.zompist.com/latam.html


              Try to be less ignorant and less affected by your national propaganda

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              • #52
                Originally posted by sonnet View Post
                You can't be serious.

                US government is even worse than Nazis. At least Nazis were clear about the fact that it was a dictatorship and their purposes. With them, you knew clearly who to fight, they didn't hide behind the curtains. US government it's the worse, he goes all around the globe (thanks to its ignorant citizens like you)
                stealing resources from other nations with the excuse that they want to export their "democracy".

                But Chile had their democratically elected president Allende, whose guilt was to not make the interests of the US corporations, so US democratic government killed him and installed their puppet Dictator
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende

                And what about Enrico Mattei? He was Italian public administrator responsible for the ENI . He was guilt because he:
                negotiated important oil concessions in the Middle East as well as a significant trade agreement with the Soviet Union which helped break the oligopoly of the 'Seven Sisters' that dominated the mid 20th century oil industry. He also introduced the principle whereby the country that owned exploited oil reserves received 75% of the profits.[1]
                And that was a bad thing for the US democracy..so they killed him.
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Mattei

                Or all the intervention in Central America?
                http://www.zompist.com/latam.html


                Try to be less ignorant and less affected by your national propaganda
                LOL thank you for your post here. i try to tell him the same but in other words

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by jcgeny View Post
                  the topic is going very far away from steve jobs , may be because there are not so many jobs on the market....
                  for the rest like evilness of germans .... some better had learned at school that nazism came with big powerty in germany .
                  a lot of europeans jews were killed during ww2 but a lot of them went in the usa with a lot of money.....
                  66 years after the end of ww2 , at that time the usa was the bank of the world , the usa is one of of the weakest economy and democracy of the world . its job is only to defend usrahell at "all cost"
                  usrahell is well described by pacifists http://palsolidarity.org/ and everyday life there is , for no-jews , like http://french.irib.ir/component/k2/i...renvers%C3%A9e
                  while south of the usa and more and more of it , is burning at the hardest level ...
                  http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/
                  it started in the texas : the land where live gwbush , the man of the no-inside-job-9-11-2001 and of the NO-CLIMATE-CHANGE . the second being for sure THE next : " NAZISM "
                  you fail here. because you can not count the one genocide to another genocide.

                  sure the USA do an genocide on Japanese people with the nuclear bomb and sure they do have concentration camp of Japaneses in the world war 2 but this makes the genocide crimes of the Nazis not better.

                  the only thing that is really terrible is the victor's justice we need Nuremberg Trials against the Victor's to dead penalty to the guilty people in the USA like "Albert Einstein" He supported the atomic bombing on civilians.

                  sure yes the most of the criminals are death by a natural death so maybe we need generations liability to dead penalty the child of the criminals to make sure justice has been done is enough.

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                  • #54
                    We should probably go back to the topic of Steve Jobs (if contributing to this thread)?

                    I don't understand the overwhelming response and praise for Jobs especially the technology crowd. There was marketing and yes, innovation, etc., but with closed source and a substantial cost for that use!

                    Also, it is especially remarkable the praise has been given from Linux users. Is there not hypocrisy here? I thought open source was a considerable value here and Jobs and Apple/MAC were especially contrary by definition and design. To be able to experience and benefit from this "innovation", you had to pay many times over any similar or equivalent technology. And not just that, the prices were over and beyond the level of reasonable and fair. The best e.g., imho, is iTunes. 99 cents a song. The iStore.

                    It's strange what and who we value.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Panix View Post
                      We should probably go back to the topic of Steve Jobs (if contributing to this thread)?

                      I don't understand the overwhelming response and praise for Jobs especially the technology crowd. There was marketing and yes, innovation, etc., but with closed source and a substantial cost for that use!

                      Also, it is especially remarkable the praise has been given from Linux users. Is there not hypocrisy here? I thought open source was a considerable value here and Jobs and Apple/MAC were especially contrary by definition and design. To be able to experience and benefit from this "innovation", you had to pay many times over any similar or equivalent technology. And not just that, the prices were over and beyond the level of reasonable and fair. The best e.g., imho, is iTunes. 99 cents a song. The iStore.

                      It's strange what and who we value.
                      i don't care how much a song cost me. 0,99 or 9,99 i only care about the freedome i earn with it the freedome of give it away or the freedome to remix it.

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                      • #56
                        wikipedia :"According to Atari co-founder Nolan Bushnell, Atari offered $100 for each chip that was eliminated in the machine. Jobs had little interest in or knowledge of circuit board design and made a deal with Wozniak to split the bonus evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Much to the amazement of Atari, Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50, a design so tight that it was impossible to reproduce on an assembly line. According to Wozniak, Jobs told Wozniak that Atari gave them only $700 (instead of the offered $5,000) and that Wozniak's share was thus $350.[29]"

                        Wozniak is the master mind and steve jobs is just another slave-holder-Diktator.

                        thats why i think steve jobs better stay in death.

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                        • #57
                          another prove that Steve jobs are evil:

                          wikipedia: "Steve Wozniak zog sich am 6. Februar 1985 teilweise von Apple zurück, blieb aber bis heute Mitarbeiter mit einem festen Einkommen. Er wollte mehr Zeit in eine kleinere Firma investieren und gründete neun Jahre nach der Entstehung von Apple die Firma CL 9. Der ursprünglich geplante Name Cloud 9 war bereits vergeben, daher wählte er diese Abkürzung. Die Firma befasste sich mit der Entwicklung von Universalfernbedienungen. Die Gehäuse sollten von dem deutschen Unternehmen frogdesign entworfen werden, das ebenfalls für die Gestaltung des Apple-IIc-Gehäuses verantwortlich war. Als Steve Jobs einen Prototypen zu Gesicht bekam, zerschmetterte er ihn und drohte frogdesign mit der Stornierung sämtlicher laufender und zukünftiger Aufträge von Apple, falls sie weiterhin mit Wozniak kooperieren würden.[5]"

                          googletranslate:""Steve Wozniak retired on February 6, 1985 of part of Apple's back, but was still an employee with a fixed income. He wanted to invest more time in a smaller company and founded nine years after the emergence of the Apple company, originally CL 9th proposed name Cloud 9 was already taken, so he chose this acronym. the company was concerned with the development of universal remotes. the housing should be designed by the German company, frog design, which was also responsible for the design of the Apple IIc case. As Steve Jobs got to see a prototype, he crushed him and threatened frog design with the cancellation of all current and future orders from Apple if they would continue cooperating with Wozniak [5]. ""


                          Steve Jobs was full of hate and he destroy all many stuff. he crushed the prototype of CL9 universal remotes just because he is evil.

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                          • #58
                            wikipedia : "Free software pioneer Richard Stallman dissented from the prevailing hagiographic views of Jobs in his blog to draw attention to the legendary tight control that Apple exercised as corporate policy over their computers and handheld devices, restrictions over media and uses, and persistent violations of privacy: "Steve Jobs, the pioneer of the computer as a jail made cool, designed to sever fools from their freedom, has died".[179]"

                            another point why steve jobs was just evil.

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                            • #59
                              I also found Stallman's position very translucent. I actually found it over some Apple fanboy blog, who was appalled at how their master/god was treated by the pioneer of software freedom. It's amazing how those trolls twist everything out of context. Stallman didn't actually say he was happy about the death, he only said he was he happy jobs was gone, which is a really fair and much less personal statement.

                              I'm really laughing my ass off:
                              http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/tech...ting-view.html

                              This article just shows how superficially people work and how they only feed to mainstream opinions. Such press should just be kicked in the ****.

                              -Why is Stallman's view "a provocative take on technology issues" (what the hell are 'technology isses'? That sounds like the writer has no idea what they're talking about and trying to hide behind a really large common denominator), because it's true? Or is just provocative to apple fans (and thus to the American mainstream? has that nation gone so low?)
                              -"Founder of the free software (or open source)". Right. Since open source is free software. I'm going to use vbulletin's code the next time I come across it, since it's free software.
                              -"As one can surmise from that sendoff, Stallman’s and Jobs’ views on software as a business are diametrically opposed." Yes, apples and bananas are different. Rather, jobs didn't have any views of software, he was just a money craving freak. Stallman's the only one in the equation who actually ever cared about what software (or hardware) is or should be ethically.
                              -"Stallman's remarks have prompted an outpouring of indignation among the high-tech punditocracy, as though they were shocked at the rudeness of this famously outspoken activist's refusal to join the mass adoration of Apple's co-founder." Reads: some apple fanboys feel butthurt when they read the truth. Obviously.

                              The only positive highlight (which shows they have some brains) is the finale:
                              "Yet Stallman's critique of Jobs' business model has merit. For all Jobs' focus on user-friendly devices, Apple's buttoned-down approach to its software and apps, along with the way its mobile devices facilitate violations of their users' privacy, should be the subject of much broader concern. Stallman's eulogy may get wide distribution because of its tone, but his underlying point about the digital world deserves to be heeded."
                              Last edited by susikala; 10-11-2011, 03:34 AM.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                                another point why steve jobs was just evil.
                                No it's not. He was a ruthless business man, which is neither illegal or repulsive. This is how business works, and this is why so few succeed at it.

                                You have posts after posts of little anecdotes and Wikipedia quotes - and who in their right mind would use Wikipedia snippets as a valid source, when most of the people Steve Jobs worked with are still around, published books or expressed their personal, direct opinion about him, it's beyond me - which prove more about you than about Steve Jobs.

                                So:
                                1. don't quote Stallman, he's at such an extreme that it basically makes him a lunatic

                                2. don't argue about what he didn't do, or hypothetical discoveries that never took place - consider what he DID create

                                3. Let me quote Linus: "It’s not passion for something, it becomes passion against something else" - this is you, posting right now. Because (rich) people willingly buying Apple products means enslavement and exploitation. Jesus Christ, how biased can you get...

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