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  • Germany export 4MWh E-Energy although 8 Nuclear-Power-Stations turned off

    http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/35/35575/1.html

    germany turn of 8 nuclear power plants and export 4MWh el energy
    it shows the lies about the nuclear power in germany.

    Germany can shut down 8 nuclear power plants and they lost nothing they just push
    4 000 000Wh into the European market.

    the Germans can turn of another nuclear power plant or two without any effect.

    right now german do have power plants for 140-150MWh but the highest peak ever was 92MWh.
    germany do have the world advanced and world best electric energy network system with the most capacity of power plants.

  • #2
    Yeah, instead they're building more coal plants. What a bunch of hypocrites! Ja, Green Energy indeed!

    http://skepgineering.com/2011/09/10/...l-coal-plants/

    http://www.miller-mccune.com/environ...olution-36072/

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/0...-Climate-Money

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    • #3
      I have this suspicion that the germans have developed a new complex (as in psychology). Apart from Nazi stuff we now have the Nuclear thing gong on.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
        I have this suspicion that the germans have developed a new complex (as in psychology).
        It's called vorsprung durch technik (advancement through technology). It's a very old German complex. They always want to be best in engineering and technology. I hate them!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
          I have this suspicion that the germans have developed a new complex (as in psychology). Apart from Nazi stuff we now have the Nuclear thing gong on.
          do you think "(advancement through technology)" is bad just because they go the green way now?

          i think its only bad for people payed by the nuclear lobby.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Panix View Post
            Yeah, instead they're building more coal plants. What a bunch of hypocrites! Ja, Green Energy indeed!
            green energy needs a much more advance power cable network now the green energy part grow maybe for 0,5% per year.

            but if the new smart grid based advance power cable network goes on line the green energy will jump over 30-40%

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            • #7
              Nuclear fission is safe and clean, even more so with current designs, but it's very expensive, so if there isn't popular support for it it just won't work

              Also, Linux is safe and clean, even more so with current designs, but it's very open, so if there isn't popular support for its direction it just won't become standard

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              • #8
                Originally posted by grantek View Post
                Nuclear fission is safe and clean, even more so with current designs, but it's very expensive, so if there isn't popular support for it it just won't work
                no nuclear power plant work without hurt people.

                because you always need people to go into the red zone to repair/clean/fill up stuff

                and its a lie that human people can handle tiny dosages.

                there are multiple documentaries that people are ill by only work 1 single time in the red zone and then there are ill but the limit of the dosage by law are not hit.

                means the "LAW-Limit" of dosage is to much high for a real secure healthy.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                  and its a lie that human people can handle tiny dosages.
                  there are multiple documentaries that people are ill by only work 1 single time in the red zone and then there are ill but the limit of the dosage by law are not hit.
                  Can you link any of those "multiple documentaries"?
                  Also do you realize that our Sun is actually a huge nuclear fusion reactor? X-ray you do at clinic is type of radiation too. Most smoke detectors have a radioactive materials in them.
                  And last thing if you actually go to a Chernobyl zone you would see a plenty of animals there nowadays and some humans too, therefore you claims is a pure bullshit.
                  Current level of nuclear technology is perfectly safe if plants are properly built and maintained.

                  In fact a modern solar and wind power plants can possibly harm ecology even more - solar plant takes a huge space to build and wind plant fields kill lots of birds.
                  Their benefit is infinite 'fuel' compared to coil, gas and nuclear power.

                  You can also read this: http://www.alternate-energy-sources....radiation.html
                  Last edited by Stellarwind; 09-29-2011, 08:12 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Stellarwind View Post
                    Can you link any of those "multiple documentaries"?
                    http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/p...lern-1.1105425



                    and one japanese doku with english text to read:




                    Originally posted by Stellarwind View Post
                    Also do you realize that our Sun is actually a huge nuclear fusion reactor?
                    your rhetorical question is just a lie and because why? = the magnet field of the earth and the atmosphere save us.


                    Originally posted by Stellarwind View Post
                    X-ray you do at clinic is type of radiation too.
                    and another artifice and just a lie! a lie because the nuclear power plants do not have any clinic usage.
                    you only use x-ray at clinic if you are "ill" or for research to be healthy in the future.
                    you are suggesting that the same is also the same useful is just bullshit and a lie.
                    no one needs nuclear power plants but some people need a clinical use of x-ray.


                    Originally posted by Stellarwind View Post
                    Most smoke detectors have a radioactive materials in them.
                    smoke detectors with radioactive materials are against the law in germany and its against the law in the hole europe.
                    only the very very very (ironic part here) smart USA people do use radioactive materials in smoke detectors.

                    this is not an argument its stupidity.


                    Originally posted by Stellarwind View Post
                    And last thing if you actually go to a Chernobyl zone you would see a plenty of animals there nowadays and some humans too, therefore you claims is a pure bullshit.
                    in german we have very hard and multiple retested clinical studies that child's get blood cancer if they life 30km in a radius to an nuclear power plant.
                    http://www.ippnw-ulm.de/text_ueb-kinderkebs.htm
                    now you make your joke again?

                    i hope your child will grow up near by a nuclear power plant and i hope your child get cancer just because you are a nuclear power fan boy.

                    Originally posted by Stellarwind View Post
                    Current level of nuclear technology is perfectly safe if plants are properly built and maintained.
                    the germans prove you wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THTR-300
                    the german build your modern (ironic)"SAVE" -thorium high-temperature nuclear reactor-
                    and they prove it wrong in "safety"
                    now whats up ? your modern super save thorium-high-temperature-nuclear-reactor isn't save..
                    so you are a liar.

                    Originally posted by Stellarwind View Post
                    In fact a modern solar and wind power plants can possibly harm ecology even more
                    i don't care about ecology if it comes to human healthy like nuclear power plants.

                    Originally posted by Stellarwind View Post
                    - solar plant takes a huge space to build
                    liar my own 10,5 kwp solar-electric-power plants use ZERO space.
                    and most of the german solar power stations are ZERO SPACE ones.

                    Originally posted by Stellarwind View Post
                    and wind plant fields kill lots of birds.
                    LOL--- not really studies show that cars kill 10000 times more birds.
                    and you can build wind plants in places without any birds and you can build wind mills without any bird effect
                    for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savonius_wind_turbine

                    Originally posted by Stellarwind View Post
                    Their benefit is infinite 'fuel' compared to coil, gas and nuclear power.
                    really? this must be a joke from you.

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                    • #11
                      This links are not proper studies, just some news - if you trust everything you read in newspapers and saw on TV - you are not too smart.
                      Can we have some scientific papers with statistics etc? And I don't understand german, sorry.

                      Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                      your rhetorical question is just a lie and because why? = the magnet field of the earth and the atmosphere save us.
                      and another artifice and just a lie! a lie because the nuclear power plants do not have any clinic usage.
                      you only use x-ray at clinic if you are "ill" or for research to be healthy in the future.
                      you are suggesting that the same is also the same useful is just bullshit and a lie.
                      no one needs nuclear power plants but some people need a clinical use of x-ray.
                      Atmosphere does indeed saves us from most of solar radiation and X-rays is also radiation...
                      But your initial claim was that people die from small doses... there is your small doeses - I did xray few times so far and I often relax in the sun, yet I'm alive.
                      If the power plant is operating at normal conditions - it is safer than getting xray once in a year.
                      http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-nuclear-waste (another newspaper, but you seem to accept them as a proof)
                      Also burning coil leads to global warming, which leads to ozone layer shrinking and it is the thing that protects earth from solar radiation, ironic, isn't it?

                      smoke detectors with radioactive materials are against the law in germany and its against the law in the hole europe.
                      only the very very very (ironic part here) smart USA people do use radioactive materials in smoke detectors.
                      Afaik radioactive smoke detectors containing americium-241 are banned in Germany and France although they are permitted in other EU Member States, such as the Netherlands, where they are sold in DIY shops.


                      in german we have very hard and multiple retested clinical studies that child's get blood cancer if they life 30km in a radius to an nuclear power plant.
                      http://www.ippnw-ulm.de/text_ueb-kinderkebs.htm
                      now you make your joke again?

                      i hope your child will grow up near by a nuclear power plant and i hope your child get cancer just because you are a nuclear power fan boy.

                      the germans prove you wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THTR-300
                      the german build your modern (ironic)"SAVE" -thorium high-temperature nuclear reactor-
                      and they prove it wrong in "safety"
                      now whats up ? your modern super save thorium-high-temperature-nuclear-reactor isn't save..
                      so you are a liar.
                      Again, I can't read german and wiki article says station was closed due to maintenance costs.
                      I fail to understand how living near nuclear reactor where radiation levels are not higher than anywhere else and lower than in xray room where doctors actually work whole day can be a harm.

                      i don't care about ecology if it comes to human healthy like nuclear power plants.
                      Ecology = your health either way.

                      liar my own 10,5 kwp solar-electric-power plants use ZERO space.
                      and most of the german solar power stations are ZERO SPACE ones.
                      Consumer solar panels can't really power a big factory, and solar power plants with power output compareable to a modern nuclear plant will be quite big - you need to cut down some trees to put there a solar plant.
                      Also solar panel production is not a cleanest technology in the world: "Making solar panels, which are in many ways directly descended from semiconductors, also produces toxic byproducts that could sicken living beings, warns the SVTC. Among these are caustic liquids like silicon tetrachloride, dusts and nanoparticles like kerf (a remnant from cutting silicon ingots), and potent greenhouse gases like sulfur hexafluoride."

                      LOL--- not really studies show that cars kill 10000 times more birds.
                      and you can build wind plants in places without any birds and you can build wind mills without any bird effect
                      for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savonius_wind_turbine
                      And studies show that more people get hit by cars vs dead from radiation exposure - not an argument. And my point was green energy is in fact not that "green".
                      Besides this ones you linked can't produce much power, otherwise we'd built those, not normal ones.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                        and its a lie that human people can handle tiny dosages.

                        lets ban x-rays then and bananas and air travel

                        you clearly don't understand a thing about industrial safety do you??

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                        • #13
                          Or how about this:

                          The amount of people, and other effects the continued use of coal especially (as well as gas) on medical, ie respiratory illness from soot has caused far more injuries and death than nuclear power.

                          Coal is also alot dirtier than nuclear power. Nuclear power can and still si advancing. Coal isnt.

                          We are NOT going to replace our current main power sources of Coal/Other fossil fuels with a high output and reliable renewable energy source, within the next 10 or 50 or 100 years at our current development.

                          We CAN do that with Nuclear pwoer, in sync with other green power sources. Nuclear pwoer is way cleaner than many currently used power sources, and efficient for large scale uses.

                          OC 100% renewable and green power is ideal, but it cannot happen with the way humans are in any reasonable amount of time.

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                          • #14
                            if you actually go to a Chernobyl zone you would see a plenty of animals there nowadays and some humans too, therefore you claims is a pure bullshit.
                            This must be the worst bullshit I've ever read in phoronix. Chernbyl area is being partly repopulated because of Ukraine goverment claiming its safety. Does it mean ANYTHING? No. Because:

                            a) Goverments wait until the fobia is over to make this kind of announcements, followed by no real data or measurements, because NO goverment would tolerate that a 100sq Km area in their country is gone FOREVER because of an error they did. Radioactivity will stay forever (hundreds of years), but why waiting when you can persuade people to go and live there once the fobia is over?

                            b) Birds are the happiest animals with radioctivity, they are almost the only kind of animal surviving without any problem in the Cernobyl area. That's reassuring, isn't it?

                            c) Radioctivity after a nuclear station failure will stay in the area forever (with forever, I mean longer than you, your sons and the sons of your sons can ever live). Hope someone builds a nuclear station 20kms from your house so you see how it feels. Would you still be worried by coal pullution? Will coal pollution ever destroy (forever) a 100sq Km area in your country? EVER.

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                            • #15
                              There is ionizing radiation all around us and has always been. Cosmic radiation from supernovae, ultraviolet radiation from sun, radiation from naturally occurring radioactive elements - its all been there throughout the evolution of life and humans. We evolved with ionizing radiation and our cells are adapted to it. As a matter of fact it is likely that too little radiation is also harmful.

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