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  • #16
    Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
    I disagree with you all. I think Döner is disgusting, it stinks and it's unhealthy. As with any food you can mask the taste by pouring a lot of sauce on it, and that's what people do. I dare you to eat a whole Döner without sauce, bet you cannot finish it.
    That absolutely depends on the Dönerbude. There a many cheap booths (Döner for about 2€) where the meat is sub-standard and the bread is industrial made. In this case it is better to throw your money in the gutter than spending it for that "junk".

    But otherwise there are many very good Dönerbuden where you get fresh baked bread, very good meat and many different salads and vegetables as supplement. In this booths a Döner normally costs about 3 to 4€.

    The main problem of a good Döner are the proportion of its ingredients. The salad and the meat should split roughly 50:50 and there should be not too much sauce be poured over the salad. Many makers are drowning the Döner in the sauce. And many booths put to much meat into the Döner, so you only get the meat-aroma instead of the combination of everything.

    Döner is junk food, it's no better than the food you get at McDonald's or at the local Imbiss.
    As i said, it depends on the booth. And if you don't like meat at all, there are even vegetarian Döners.

    P.S.:

    Funny thing. Germans discussing about Döner-Kebab in an english forum ;-)

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    • #17
      Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
      one thing for Quaridariums recipe.

      instead of using a spin roast device you can layer the meat thin on a baking pan and bake it in the oven until crisp (not the same thing but it will work)
      really not the same sure... pan meat does not taste the same...


      Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
      also some people use beef and lamp (80/20)
      in the past the tuerkey people only use lamp... but meat is cheaper in germany


      Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
      also how much yeast for the buns?
      you need to read your product you use....

      there are weat yeast and dried yeast but more or less only matters for the time you need to grow it.

      if you don't have time use the double of yeast product and only let it grow half time.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
        Actually, there were multiple scandals in Germany about meat ("Gammelfleisch") that was used in Döner shops because it was either too old or not meant for humans.
        sure sure but you just write FUD...

        i call you how to make your own döner.... you can not get bad stuff in it if you do all your self.

        and if you don't like old meat just kill the cow by yourself.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by glasen View Post
          Funny thing. Germans discussing about Döner-Kebab in an english forum ;-)
          not only a english forum its a computer tech forum full of geeks…. LOL

          thats was my idear°!

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          • #20
            Usually when someone gives a recipe goes for either grams or baker percentages. And they usually make a note on yeast amount depending on they type. Also you didnt give the amount of baking powder needed

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            • #21
              Also you didnt give the amount of baking powder needed
              Baking powder? In a flatbread dough?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                Usually when someone gives a recipe goes for either grams or baker percentages. And they usually make a note on yeast amount depending on they type.
                I just do not treat you like an idiot! because in this way they companies only go richer because yeast is a organism means you can put in only a tiny dose and the time will do the rest.

                also you can not put in Yeast and the yeast will grow up also because of spontaneous fermentation because the most flour contain natural yeast.

                also i write to you you buy yeast as a product and only your product maker know how much do you need of this product thats why you can not ask me that you have to read your product paper!

                now you know "usually recipes" only treat the reader like an idiot.





                Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                Also you didnt give the amount of baking powder needed

                same storry you buy baking soda as a product professional versions are much stronger you need less of it and civilian versions are fake!
                you have to read your product information.
                traditional in Germany 1 tiny 1-2g pack-paper of yeast or bakery soda is for 500g flour

                can you now please read your product informations ?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by glasen View Post
                  Baking powder? In a flatbread dough?
                  this is just cheating because professionals ad gluten, baking soda,vitamin c to get a greater impact and more CO2 and the flour hold more co2--

                  and so one.

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                  • #24
                    I disagree

                    Yes different products will have a different effect but you have to have a starting point. And when you read a recipe somewhere it is supposed to be tested and to work. The average home cook will not do recipe development.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                      I disagree
                      Yes different products will have a different effect but you have to have a starting point.
                      WRONG! your starting point is the product information!

                      real MANN do not need a product at all they grow a Sourdough or spontaneous yeast fermentation without any!

                      and you are "I disagree " because you are a geek and in computers geek world all is write and you can learn all from your technical information book.

                      LOL... for beginners you buy a product like yeast or bakery soda and there will be a product information on the product and only the company knows what they put into there product.

                      Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                      And when you read a recipe somewhere it is supposed to be tested and to work. The average home cook will not do recipe development.
                      what is your point here? i think you just do not understand the fundamental basics

                      a pro start a 0,5kg with 1 paper 1g yeast but a pro also start a 1kg with the same yeast and a pro start 2kg with the same 1g yeast and a pro start 25kg with the same 1g yeast.

                      because why? because the pro know it dosn't matter how much yeast you ad its only matters how much time you let it grow.

                      any my recipe is cheated ! means you don't have to wait for the yeast you will get a good result without waiting for the yeast you only ad yeast as a "spice" and the cheat is the bakery soda and also the bakery soda is a product with product information!

                      after reading the product information no more questions there because the product information explain it how it works!

                      for the soda its also easy if you double the flour you double the soda if you half the flour you half the soda.

                      but how much ITS written in the product information!

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                      • #26
                        My point is that the amateur cook doen't have to understand the basics. He needs something that works and is foolproof. He must have instructions that specify quantities times and techniques.

                        Hell, even some "professionals" don't understand the science/chemistry behind cooking and thats the reason that the majority of food served is shit.

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                        • #27
                          Well, this makes me proud to be from Berlin.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                            this is just cheating because professionals ad gluten, baking soda,vitamin c to get a greater impact and more CO2 and the flour hold more co2--

                            and so one.
                            Flatbread doesn't need any of that. Its only ingredients are flour, salt and water.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                              for the meat get cow meat slim steaks and 50% minced meat then put the minced meat into a bowl and put Salt , eggs, minced onions, oil, milk and yogurt and spices like paprika and pepper and chili into it! now knead it!!! then you put the slim steaks and the minced meat with spices alternately in rotatory on a spit! in a circle way to get the circle you can use plastic foil and now you put it into an freezer you need to freese it completely because you need the stability!
                              Interesting - I've seen "traditional Turkish recipes" calling for slices of marinated meat stacked on a skewer and recipes calling for minced meat but never one that uses both. Is this something you get in Germany ?

                              You didn't mention cooking times for the meat - do you cook it through before slicing or is there some kind of "just in time cook" going on where the outside is cooked, the inside might not be, and hopefully the rate of cutting & serving does not get ahead of the rate of cooking ? Do you cook from frozen or thaw before cooking, or does it just spend enough time in the freezer to chill but not freeze ?

                              Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                              now you need to make the bread you need flour, yeast,bakery soda,salt and very important turkey caraway seed

                              put the flour and the salt and the yeast into a bowl put water into it for 500g flour you need 350g water and 0,5g salt and knead it!!! then wait 2 hour then put the bakery soda and knead it again! now make a flat bubble of a handfull dough but some turkey caraway seed on the top and now put the bubble into an professional wood heater 500C heater 5-8 minutes or an electric version 450C 10 minutes or an non professional noob oven 250C for 20 minutes.
                              Maybe a typo, but you mention baking soda in the list of ingredients but not in the instructions. Any chance your 0,5g of salt (0.1%)should be 5g (1%) ?

                              My usual recipe is along the lines of :

                              2 cups / 305g flour
                              7/8 cup / 190g water (63%)
                              3/4 tsp / 4g kosher salt (1.3%)
                              3/4 tsp / 3g Fleischmann's Quick-Rise instant yeast (1%)

                              As Q says, the amount of yeast is a function of both the type of yeast you are using and the amount of time you plan to let it work before baking. I use roughly the amount above if I'm planning to bake the dough within a few hours of mixing, but go down to maybe 1/4 tsp if I'm going to leave the dough in the fridge for a few days and pull it out when needed (eg when people drop by and "feel like pizza" not realizing that I live about 30km from the nearest pizza place).

                              Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                              now you have a flat peace of döner breat! now you need to fire up your döner meat the best taste you get with wood fire and you can cut of the döner meat with a knife but only the edge so you get many pices of crispy fried strips so you can put it into your breat
                              Presumably the doner meat is cooked at this point (either cooked through or at least cooked on the outside) and you are just shaving off the cooked bits from the outside ?

                              Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                              now you need salad on it and mice and tomatoes and onions and a yogurt source and chilly on it ! now you have a professional German-Turkey Döner!
                              Our local restaurants also have rodent problems but I normally leave the mice out when cooking at home. Do you think that affects the taste very much ?

                              Inspired by this thread I made a sort of "Canadian breakfast doner-kebab" - fresh baked pitas using the recipe above divided into 8, some rolled flat & others "pulled" flat like a pizza crust. I wasn't really paying enough attention to know which ones rose better, but the pita shaped like circles definitely rose better than the ones shaped like, say, Madagascar. Oven at 500F / 260C ("non-professional noob" ) on a pre-heated baking sheet, maybe 4 min for the first side and 2-3 min more after flipping them over. There does seem to be an optimum size - the smaller ones become almost spherical - I would probably divide into 6 next time rather than 8.

                              Filling was thin slices of leftover meatloaf cooked up with some onions, hot peppers and chopped up leftover potatoes, then scrambled with a couple eggs and stuffed into half-pitas along with some more (raw) onions. In the absence of authentic Turkish sauces I found that a combination of sriracha and commercial coleslaw dressing (hey, I have to keep it in the house, some people like it) was surprisingly good.

                              A good wheat beer would have been better than coffee, of course, but coffee was what I had...
                              Last edited by bridgman; 08-27-2011, 12:35 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by glasen View Post
                                Flatbread doesn't need any of that. Its only ingredients are flour, salt and water.
                                I bet € 100 on the natural yeast in the flatbread!

                                your bullshit about flour,salt and water is just a lie

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