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  • #76
    @VINCENT

    YOUR problem with Macs:

    "-Unreliable hardware"

    i've owned 9 different Apple computers over the years (spanning 15years, but i also owned an Apple II when i was a kid). more recently - G4, iMacs, macbook pro's to my current Mac Pro - i've never had a single hadware problem, EVER! And in the case of my firewire soundcard, it only works well under MacOSX - winXP/win7 blows chunks with it, linux is okay but occasionally gives the odd issue...

    "-Crappy build quality cases"

    sometimes yah (usually the base model macbook), but most of the time, no. in fact, my Mac Pro is wonderfully put together. So was my old G4, so was my MacBook Pro.. the last few generations of macbook pro's are excellent.

    "Shitty service"

    really?? i've never had to have any mac serviced, nor have i needed to call customer support even once (but hey, mac's suck for real usability, right?)

    how often have you personally had to get support from Apple????

    "-Shitty price"

    yup, they are pricy. i wont disagree there, but the software and hardware is often better integrated. (as is the case with firewire). there latest offering thunderbolt/light-peak is awesome. often Apple bundles new technologies in their hardware which i think partially drives up costs (as they develop a lot of this stuff too).

    However, Apple software is very reasonably priced, and similar software for windows, especially what Microsoft packages with it, usually sucks crap. Apple produces much nicer multimedia software, i like many of the titles available.

    ..and you also have to consider that Microsoft is now changing their business model. just look at office 365 - i don't know about you but i'm not interested in paying microsoft a monthly licensing free, rather than a one time purchase - we are now looking at phasing out MsOffice at the office. We can't get around sharepoint licences,which are insane - In general, microsoft licenses are really expensive, restrictive, and Microsoft software also tends to be insecure and often problematic. so, i don't mind paying more for hardware, if the software works, is cheaper often more straight forward and simple to use and i don't lose time to stupid MS related problems.

    "-Slower than Gallium3D drivers"

    in my own experiences - gallium3d drivers really really suck, and can't even run many 3d apps very well, if at all. the driver is also incomplete. it has potential. but no one who requires real 3D performance is using gallium3d, or open-source drivers in general. it's common knowledge that all open-source GFX drivers lack features found in the binary versions - Which makes your argument completely pointless and N/A... I will use autodesk Maya as an example (being as it runs under linux and Mac). maya runs fine under OSX - the performance is very reasonable. Official Nvidia binary drivers under linux work very well with Maya, while gallium3d doesn't even support half of the crap required to run it. but you can substitute Maya with Blender - and see what i mean. gallium3d is nothing special, or even useful, really. Gallium3d is a last resort.... my old dell inspirion with ATI 1300 used to be able to run compiz back in the day, not having to use Gallium3d, but after about 2.6.33 (KMS) it was broken - now that machine uses Gallium3d - compiz performance is pathetic! so is any and all 3d acceleration.

    keep in mind too, MacOSX can run Maya with OSX having it's own compositing running without any noticable performance loss. I would love to see Gallium3d be able to handle any of that - but it can't by any stretch of the imagination. Imagine trying to run a similar setup under linux (if Gallium3d could actually do it)... Oh wait, that's right we have to "imagine" because Gallium3d is nowhere near being ready to handle these types of applications, and probably never will. The binary drivers will always be better than Gallium3d.

    "-Old GCC"

    and yet, all applications and the OS run perfectly fine and fast.

    what version of GCC are you using????

    "-Malware (yes they do)"

    i didn't say they didn't. what i said was that in comparison to Windows - there is almost ZERO -there is a big difference between saying "almost zero" or saying Zero. furthermore it's laughable if you are actually trying to say that Mac-users have the same malware/spyware/virus issues that windows has been plagued with and probably always will be plagued with...

    "-Break down just as frequently as Windows (macfixit.com exists for a reason)"

    just because their are websites like this does not mean Mac's break down as frequently as windows machines.... it just means that Mac's can have problems too. So, there is absolutely no validity to your statement. maybe if you had real numbers and statistics to back up your claim, i could agree but it's clear these are just your own opinions and rationizations - with no real evidence to back you up.

    Generally speaking, in the IT industry it is widely understood that Windows machines are measured in days, weeks or month's of up-time, while *nix systems usually are measured by years...this phrase originally was regarding servers - but it applies to the desktop as well. being as the up-time/down-time i am referring to has everything to do with the OS (as in i am not referring to hardware failures here).

    again, i have never had a mac break down. no one i know has, except a girl i know who dropped her macbook on concrete, while sitting about 9feet above the concrete. but she was able to get it serviced and fixed. Then i upgraded the system to Snow Leopard. it still works great, and that was a few years ago... (so maybe packaging isn't as bad as you think!)

    the other situation i can think of, is in 2008 when Nvidia mis-packaged their GPU's and Macbook Pro's were affected. Apple agreed to replace any and all macbook's affected for free - no service charge, and will honor this agreement into 2012 - wow, what terrible service...lol - this was nvidia's fault - not Apple.

    people will have issues with computers here and there no matter what. but i can tell you this my Windows friend's call me with problems 10x the amount that my Mac friends do.. and my Mac friend's aside from 1 guy - are far less computer-savvy. This is also true of many of the people i work with. Those who own Apple, ask me for help far less. 3 people in the Office switched to Apple after seeing over a couple of years how their co-workers weren't having computer issues,
    while they would run into problems much more frequently...

    "-Totaly inconsistant UI"

    again, that is nothing more than your opinion. I find MacOSX to have a much better interface than ANY version of Windows. it is VERY consistent, stable and VERY usable. having multiple desktops, expo, etc - is very handy and increases productivity... mac apps look great, i always know what very button, slider, window type, etc - is used for and what they do. everything is easy access. Finder is great, all of the administrative tools are great and work exactly as expected. you only find it inconsistent because you probably have never owned a Mac, would be my guess...

    ...and if that is the case - then your arguments are pointless, because you don't know what your talking about because you lack the hands on experience - I work with Windows (XP/7/2008server) everyday. just like i use MacOSX everyday, just like i use linux (CentOS and Arch) everyday. In fact, in the case of my Mac and Linux desktops - i use an app called "synergy" - that allows me to control both Desktops with 1 single pointing device (Wacom Tablet) and 1 keyboard. it's slick So, generally at home, i am using both my Mac and linux desktop at the same time almost as one computer, like a mutli-head setup.

    "Now that we've got that out of the way; This is about the freakin interface.
    What moron thought he could win an argument with hardware pics?

    WTF..."

    lol. ya, i didn't see the point either.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by zeealpal View Post
      And for some of us who want to do image/video editing, having a Dual CPU PC with a High end nVidia Card for Cuda Acceleration (and OpenCL), a PC will costs less that 1/2 a Mac Pro, and you can still have colour correct Non apple (Or apple) monitors attached.

      Mind you I am running a Hackintosh for 3D Modelling/Rendering as well as Photoshop and Premier Pro/AE, so I guess I just proved you right
      yup, you did just prove my point, lol.

      there is still a difference in how color management is done on Mac vs. PC - it is color correct across the board, while in Windows it tends to be per application.

      ...and ypu, Mac's are expensive.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by ninez View Post
        @VINCENT

        YOUR problem with Macs:

        "-Unreliable hardware"

        i've owned 9 different Apple computers over the years (spanning 15years, but i also owned an Apple II when i was a kid). more recently - G4, iMacs, macbook pro's to my current Mac Pro - i've never had a single hadware problem, EVER! And in the case of my firewire soundcard, it only works well under MacOSX - winXP/win7 blows chunks with it, linux is okay but occasionally gives the odd issue...
        Have you forgotten:
        1. the nVidia fiasco? Dead motherbords everywhere?
        2. All recent 17" MacBook Pro's die under load. Seriously... load?
        3. iPhone 4 dropping calls due to horrible and extremely stupid external antenna design
        4. iPad 1 screens turning yellow because of glue.

        "-Crappy build quality cases"

        sometimes yah (usually the base model macbook), but most of the time, no. in fact, my Mac Pro is wonderfully put together. So was my old G4, so was my MacBook Pro.. the last few generations of macbook pro's are excellent.
        Like I said above: recent MacBook Pro 17" (at least first batches) stop working under load. There are so many people getting deformed Unibody cases from dropping their bags (with protect cases) a little to hard on the ground. If you throw a Sony Vaio of a high desk, no problem. In fact; they are designed and stress tested to resists that.

        "Shitty service"

        really?? i've never had to have any mac serviced, nor have i needed to call customer support even once (but hey, mac's suck for real usability, right?)

        how often have you personally had to get support from Apple????
        A friend of mine has a temporary job (in between studies) at a computer store.
        Apple problems: send them and wait for a month for a repair on avarage.
        Sony problems: You call Sony. No questions asked and the very next day the post office man stops by, gives you a new Sony for the customer (yes) and takes the old one back for repair. No. Questions. Asked. Meanwhile at Apple they are like "Well... No I don't wanna, because their is a tiny miny mo-smudge next to the Apple logo, or a sticker. Hell no, fuck off"



        "-Shitty price"

        yup, they are pricy. i wont disagree there, but the software and hardware is often better integrated. (as is the case with firewire). there latest offering thunderbolt/light-peak is awesome. often Apple bundles new technologies in their hardware which i think partially drives up costs (as they develop a lot of this stuff too).
        They get fabbed by Foxxcon in China for bottom price. Hardware? Acer could deliver the same specs for $700, so it's also not the components like CPU and GPU. The flatpanel is realy, seriously to start crying about. Jesus. And they have been sued for it and lost.

        However, Apple software is very reasonably priced, and similar software for windows, especially what Microsoft packages with it, usually sucks crap. Apple produces much nicer multimedia software, i like many of the titles available.
        With the reduced cost by going Vaio you can buy Sony Vegas & co, which beats the shit out of the Apple bundeled software.

        ..and you also have to consider that Microsoft is now changing their business model. just look at office 365 - i don't know about you but i'm not interested in paying microsoft a monthly licensing free, rather than a one time purchase - we are now looking at phasing out MsOffice at the office. We can't get around sharepoint licences,which are insane - In general, microsoft licenses are really expensive, restrictive, and Microsoft software also tends to be insecure and often problematic. so, i don't mind paying more for hardware, if the software works, is cheaper often more straight forward and simple to use and i don't lose time to stupid MS related problems.
        Microsoft Windows since NT has been build from the gound up for networking microkernels, in other words: distributed computing. It shows in file systems, rights, everything. Buy an university grade OS Design and Architecture book and you know why Windows is expensive and beats the shit out of Apple for larger than a 10 workers company.

        "-Slower than Gallium3D drivers"

        in my own experiences - gallium3d drivers really really suck, and can't even run many 3d apps very well, if at all. the driver is also incomplete. it has potential. but no one who requires real 3D performance is using gallium3d, or open-source drivers in general. it's common knowledge that all open-source GFX drivers lack features found in the binary versions - Which makes your argument completely pointless and N/A... I will use autodesk Maya as an example (being as it runs under linux and Mac). maya runs fine under OSX - the performance is very reasonable. Official Nvidia binary drivers under linux work very well with Maya, while gallium3d doesn't even support half of the crap required to run it. but you can substitute Maya with Blender - and see what i mean. gallium3d is nothing special, or even useful, really. Gallium3d is a last resort.... my old dell inspirion with ATI 1300 used to be able to run compiz back in the day, not having to use Gallium3d, but after about 2.6.33 (KMS) it was broken - now that machine uses Gallium3d - compiz performance is pathetic! so is any and all 3d acceleration.
        You have got to give Apple credit for the smooth experience. However, did you know each time a fancy effect is needed, like smooth scrolling, Apple overclocks the hardware? Yeah really. Now how do they deal with battery life? Think Mac OS X is power efficient? Take a loot at the battery size of your MacBook Pro. Probably around 1/3 the case of a 17" version.

        Now the rest of your post is fair enough to not slay down. About that nVidia GPU problem again (yes I read it); they should have gone through testing.

        PS: Instead for on thing. Why does Quicktime X have a black title bar? Inconstistancy........ ough....... (the rest is fair enough, like the back app time travel interface)
        Last edited by V!NCENT; 06-09-2011, 03:23 PM.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by ahlaht View Post
          To be fair, it's not always that easy. I just recently installed Debian 6.0 Squeeze on a new and rather expensive IBM server. Everything worked out of the box _except_ the network interface cards which needed "non-free" firmware. So I had to separately visit debian.org on another computer and download the firmware. Only after that the apt-get magic worked.

          But I'm not complaining here. I'm simply telling what happened.
          I don't have any experience with this, because I never had to use additional firmware.

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          • #80
            Have you forgotten:
            1. the nVidia fiasco? Dead motherbords everywhere?
            I've already discussed that. Apple was more than willing to fix those problems for free. And it wasn't everywhere or even universal, it was only certain serial numbers/batches, and was easily remedied. read further down to see what i mean by easily remedied/fixed..

            2. All recent 17" MacBook Pro's die under load. Seriously... load?
            3. iPhone 4 dropping calls due to horrible and extremely stupid external antenna design
            4. iPad 1 screens turning yellow because of glue.
            as for the rest. you finger Apple as the only manufacturer with these types of issues, meanwhile it happens with Dell, HP, and every other manufacturer. period. there specific issues might be different, but nonetheless exist. And i don't even need to cite one example, a quick look through ANY companies forum will show you that. I've never experienced any of the problems you list here...

            Like I said above: recent MacBook Pro 17" (at least first batches) stop working under load. There are so many people getting deformed Unibody cases from dropping their bags (with protect cases) a little to hard on the ground. If you throw a Sony Vaio of a high desk, no problem. In fact; they are designed and stress tested to resists that.
            I should point out here, that it is only the first batches that have that problem. I'm a smart consumer, and i am unlikely to ever buy anything (especially technology) freshly released. it's like all the idiots who went out and bought Vista to replace their stable XP install with....how dumb was that???? Not very smart at all. I wouldn't have bought a iPad1 either, not when they had just been released and i had already seen the specs on the next gen ipads..

            As for "dropping laptops" - people who do that are dumb. I would never do that, regardless if a device as been stress tested, or not. that's moronic. - that's like wearing a helmet, and assuming it's okay to repeatedly smash your head off a wall, and then expecting to not kill any brain-cells or have a headache after doing that for a few hours...lol another exampler would be - you buy a pyrex cookware (like a pan), you are well aware - that is smash resistent... but what... does that now mean you should throw it around and drop it over and over....?!?!?

            hell no. that wouldn't be sensible at all. it would no doubt eventually break from the continous stress.

            A friend of mine has a temporary job (in between studies) at a computer store.
            Apple problems: send them and wait for a month for a repair on avarage.
            Your friend obviously isn't working at the Apple Store - I went with a friend who had the failed Nvidia GPU. (i diagnosed the problem). He could have had it back the same day, but was busy and picked it up the next day - not a big deal. Taking your macbook to a computer store that is only an authorized dealer for Apple is a waste of time (as your friend told you). you would be much better off to contact the nearest Apple Store and deal with them.

            I know other people with similar experiences. Usually to have anything fixed at the Apple Store you wait like an hour or two - that's it! if they don't have the parts - they can be ordered, and you come back without sending away your macbook at all.

            Sony problems: You call Sony. No questions asked and the very next day the post office man stops by, gives you a new Sony for the customer (yes) and takes the old one back for repair. No. Questions. Asked. Meanwhile at Apple they are like "Well... No I don't wanna, because their is a tiny miny mo-smudge next to the Apple logo, or a sticker. Hell no, fuck off"
            Interesting, and yet with my friend who had to replace his GPU - he was NOT the original owner. Apple did not give him a hard time and honoured the agreement, fixed the macbook pro and put it back in his hands, very quickly.

            My brother traded in his ipod touch for a new one, no questions asked. Apple is usaully pretty good about this kind of stuff, what your saying just sounds like FUD.

            They get fabbed by Foxxcon in China for bottom price. Hardware? Acer could deliver the same specs for $700, so it's also not the components like CPU and GPU. The flatpanel is realy, seriously to start crying about. Jesus. And they have been sued for it and lost.
            ...Sure, acer can deliver it for cheaper - but ya know what - acer is never a company i would buy from. I've had more problems from Sales-reps that own Acer products than ANY other PC-manufacturer, period. (and that is consistent over the last 4-5yrs).

            With the reduced cost by going Vaio you can buy Sony Vegas & co, which beats the shit out of the Apple bundeled software.
            with the reduced cost, i would be running a shitty laptop, using windows and sony vegas - ya, right!!!!

            Sony Vegas is okay, but far less usable (and overkill) for the noob who just wants to throw together a home video.
            ilife is probably a better deal, its cheap (if it isn't already bundled) and comes with a lot of software. On top of that, why the hell would i want to use Sony Vegas - when i own Final Cut Pro???? my answer - i wouldn't.... Final Cut Pro is better and much more of an industry standard than Vegas ever will be. - and it still doesn't change the fact that Apple bundles superior software than Microsoft (clearly you avoided jumping on that one, and decided to interject Sony into the picture, which personally i could care less about sony).

            Microsoft Windows since NT has been build from the gound up for networking microkernels, in other words: distributed computing. It shows in file systems, rights, everything. Buy an university grade OS Design and Architecture book and you know why Windows is expensive and beats the shit out of Apple for larger than a 10 workers company.
            lol... No, they built it from the ground up, because MS didn't have a proper networking stack (inital versions of linux, and obviously BSD had superior stacks at the time) Dude, Im a fucking Sysadmin - distributed computing is better with *nix systems than with Windows. - you live in a fantasy world if you think otherwise.... the only thing Windows has going for it is gaming, and locking it's customers into using things like MSoffice, sharepoint, etc - that's about it.

            Apple's goal is not to be in every office or to be a distributed system - i don't know where you get that idea - that is plain stupid. there focus tends to be multimedia/design, and providing an interface that is intuitive and easy to use.

            If Microsoft was a superior platform for distributed computing - linux wouldn't be kicking it has for these types os uses. You thinking that NT / windows is expensive because it is the world's "premier distributed operating system" - that just has to be a joke.... you are joking right??!?!? Microsoft charges lots for thier software because they are a software company, not only that but they can because so many people are locked into using their products, that they have no choice in the matter...

            You have got to give Apple credit for the smooth experience. However, did you know each time a fancy effect is needed, like smooth scrolling, Apple overclocks the hardware? Yeah really. Now how do they deal with battery life? Think Mac OS X is power efficient? Take a loot at the battery size of your MacBook Pro. Probably around 1/3 the case of a 17" version.
            Interesting, one problem though - when you say 1/3 of the case on a 17" - you do realize how thin apple's batterires are right?!? on average, companies like HP, Dell, ACER, etc make bulkier laptops with bigger batteries. i've never had issues with battery life, nor has it been a problem for me.

            Now the rest of your post is fair enough to not slay down. About that nVidia GPU problem again (yes I read it); they should have gone through testing.
            Of course, you are right - Nvidia should be testing any and all GPU's before selling them to other companies like Apple, who plan to integrate nvidia's hardware into thier systems...

            PS: Instead for on thing. Why does Quicktime X have a black title bar? Inconstistancy.
            Lots of Mac applications are like that. The black titlebars were introduced in 10.5.6 i beleive, and can be found in many many applications - although most tend to be multimedia applications - Logic 9 Pro for example - anytime you load up a VST instrument it will have a black window/titlebar.

            it isn't uncommon, nor is it inconsistent. I have probably 10-15 applications that have similar themes...i like it.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
              Lenevo ThinkPad T-series. There. In your face. Sony Vaio for the more price aware.
              They are great laptops, that is why they usually take second place.

              Now about that service. Even if you get it, you need to send it Apple,
              For a laptop yes in the states you send them to the apple repair depot. Other countries are handled by authorized service venders.

              pay for that,
              Warranty work has nothing to be paid for. They even air ship the shipping box overnight to handle a portable repair in the states.

              have it refurbished and hope you get your own Mac back,
              Refurbished macs are NEVER sent back to the customer in case of a repair. They either get their original fixed one back or if it is deemed to expensive to repair a BRAND NEW mac is sent back to them after their authorization to do so from the customer. Refurbished macs are only sold on the Apple Store and they are clearly marked as such.

              http://store.apple.com/us/browse/hom...deals/mac/imac

              then 70 days later (or something extreme like that) you'll get it back.
              5 business day turn around is about the longest you can expect. Their typical turn around is 4 business days, one to get the shipping container to the customer if the ship it to the repair depot the same day they usually get it 3 days later. That is the norm.

              Maybe it is then working.
              They bench EVERY repair for 12 hours after service work has been done on it. In the case where they deem to replace the unit, a BRAND NEW unit is unboxed, put on the bench and put through the paces BEFORE it is shipped to the customer.

              This is all 100% fact compared to your 100% bullshit.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                They are great laptops, that is why they usually take second place.



                For a laptop yes in the states you send them to the apple repair depot. Other countries are handled by authorized service venders.



                Warranty work has nothing to be paid for. They even air ship the shipping box overnight to handle a portable repair in the states.



                Refurbished macs are NEVER sent back to the customer in case of a repair. They either get their original fixed one back or if it is deemed to expensive to repair a BRAND NEW mac is sent back to them after their authorization to do so from the customer. Refurbished macs are only sold on the Apple Store and they are clearly marked as such.

                http://store.apple.com/us/browse/hom...deals/mac/imac



                5 business day turn around is about the longest you can expect. Their typical turn around is 4 business days, one to get the shipping container to the customer if the ship it to the repair depot the same day they usually get it 3 days later. That is the norm.



                They bench EVERY repair for 12 hours after service work has been done on it. In the case where they deem to replace the unit, a BRAND NEW unit is unboxed, put on the bench and put through the paces BEFORE it is shipped to the customer.

                This is all 100% fact compared to your 100% bullshit.
                great Comments (and your previous ones). i don't get what vincvent's beef with Apple is. Apple is a great company with great service and support - I don't know a single dis-satisified Apple customer, nor has anything ever been difficult to get sorted out.

                vincent seems like an Apple-hater, very mis-informed and a total Windows fanboy.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by ninez View Post
                  great Comments (and your previous ones). i don't get what vincvent's beef with Apple is. Apple is a great company with great service and support - I don't know a single dis-satisified Apple customer, nor has anything ever been difficult to get sorted out.

                  vincent seems like an Apple-hater, very mis-informed and a total Windows fanboy.
                  Yup he is VERY misinformed and more then likely has never dealt with apple. One other thing, if the customer getting the repair has a Apple store near by and a replacement unit is deemed necessary it is not unusual at all for a "Product Specialist (tier 2)" to give the customer a call and offer to replace it at the store if the stock is there. In this case the "Product Specialist" will call the store, talk to the manager and tell him to replace the unit. The store manager has no choice but to do it even if they would rather have the unit for sale. When they call a store and say "jump" the store staff asks "how high?". They can even authorize getting a support rep to jump on a plane and do on site for an isolated customer if they want (it has even been done before for isolated customers in Alaska who had a rough time getting their email app setup).

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                    Yup he is VERY misinformed and more then likely has never dealt with apple. One other thing, if the customer getting the repair has a Apple store near by and a replacement unit is deemed necessary it is not unusual at all for a "Product Specialist (tier 2)" to give the customer a call and offer to replace it at the store if the stock is there. In this case the "Product Specialist" will call the store, talk to the manager and tell him to replace the unit. The store manager has no choice but to do it even if they would rather have the unit for sale. When they call a store and say "jump" the store staff asks "how high?". They can even authorize getting a support rep to jump on a plane and do on site for an isolated customer if they want (it has even been done before for isolated customers in Alaska who had a rough time getting their email app setup).
                    Interesting, i didn't know about the "isolated customer" bit. That's really cool stuff on Apple's part!

                    However, i did point out to Vincent about service in store, and how often repairs (assuming they have parts in store) can be done on the spot. - that was the case for my friends macbook pro with the Failed GPU.

                    I also hinted to him, that some of his opinions were usually the kind of opinions that people whom have never actually owned a Mac make (i did this twice). he obviously didn't respond to it - because he himself has probably never even owned a Mac, and therefore isn't in any real position to make judgements or any determination about any of their products.

                    but hey i shouldn't be surprised, coming from the guy (vincent) who also just told me, that Windows is expensive because NT was designed from the ground up to be the best distributed operating system...lol. I guess he doesn't realize that NT in it's original specification didn't even have TCP/IP - it was added after the fact... lol.

                    MSwindows the "premiere distributed operating system" - that is just hilarious.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by ninez View Post
                      Interesting, i didn't know about the "isolated customer" bit. That's really cool stuff on Apple's part!
                      Oh I could write a book on the situations where Apple has bent over backwards for a customer without any prompting to do so from the customer having worked for them for 5 years in the past.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by ninez View Post
                        great Comments (and your previous ones). i don't get what vincvent's beef with Apple is. Apple is a great company with great service and support - I don't know a single dis-satisified Apple customer, nor has anything ever been difficult to get sorted out.

                        vincent seems like an Apple-hater, very mis-informed and a total Windows fanboy.
                        Yeah. V!ncent is definitely a microsoft lover.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                          Oh I could write a book on the situations where Apple has bent over backwards for a customer without any prompting to do so from the customer having worked for them for 5 years in the past.
                          Ahh, i see. Now, i understand how you knew a little more specific detailed info.

                          i find it really annoying when people make such grand claims(like vincent does), when they clearly know absolutely nothing about the subjects they are discussing....

                          anyways, thanks for your insights

                          cheerz

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
                            Yeah. V!ncent is definitely a microsoft lover.
                            AnonCoward, that video is hilarious! Wow, i'm so surprised at how wonderful that fat agrressive pig - AKA; Steve Balmer - can sing. He truly has a beautiful voice...lol..

                            of course they had to throw in that famous steve Jobs interview (which i totally agree with, microsoft doesn't come up with anything original, they are all about aquisitions, straight up buying technology, and obviously they have very little style over at MS)..

                            cheerz - thanks for making me laugh!

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                            • #89
                              @OP...
                              Interesting - presentation you linked raises more questions than answers. It looks like Microsoft will at least be able to be competitive in the tablet computing market place. In which case the main competitors are Apple and Linux sort of (as in mostly Android and Meego at this point). As a general desktop operating system for doing work on I am not sure how this will go down. The windows users I know tend not to like drastic User Interface Change, just like all the people moving to XFCE at the moment because Unity and Gnome3 are too tablety. Perhaps They will maintain a classic or Aero Mode, Perhaps the new changes will slot in just fine.

                              We shall find out after the thing is released and the honeymoon is over. Hopefully it will raise the bar.

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                              • #90
                                how come they are screwed?

                                thanks!

                                secure kvm switches

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