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  • #31
    Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
    This is the most easy to understand interface on the planet. And for tablets this interface is a big win.

    Of course on your PC you will soon discover the desktop tile.

    PS: In fact, this is probably the first moronproof interface. This is not what I expected from MS at all... In fact I think this interface is brilliant.
    In any way! I can only imagine how hard will be running few applications same time on this crap. I consider this is unbelievable PITA.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by renkin View Post
      It seems all the "big players" are going for the mobilesque interface.. by big players, I mean GNOME and Microsoft..
      Gnome is far away from being big and with gnome shell it will be smaller and smaller.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by kraftman View Post
        I consider this is unbelievable PITA.
        Hey we a agree!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by deanjo View Post
          Hey we a agree!
          Yes! I hope we'll see a m$ failure on the smart phones and tablets market. It's very likely they'll fail.

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          • #35
            If someone is screwed, then Apple.

            Have you seen the iOS 5 and OS X Lion keynotes today? I really, really tried to stay objective, and even though I didn't plan to switch back from Android, I thought iOS 5 was going to be a major update. However, it turns out that OS X Lion and especially iOS 5 are a complete joke. Welcome to Android 1.6 (2009), Apple.

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            • #36
              The key to magic tricks (or con jobs) is often to do them very fast, giving the audience (or victim) no time to think about what's really happening.

              This is exactly what this microsoft guy is doing. He's swiping like an ADHD kid on steroids, leaving the V!NCENTs under us stunned. But if you pause a little bit and think about what he's doing, there's hardly any substance to it.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
                The key to magic tricks (or con jobs) is often to do them very fast, giving the audience (or victim) no time to think about what's really happening.
                No you do not understand my point. It's about the interface, which I do think is genious. It's not that I will use it unless KDE makes me a shell. PS: And tablets with open bootloaders come along that I will buy.

                This is exactly what this microsoft guy is doing. He's swiping like an ADHD kid on steroids, leaving the V!NCENTs under us stunned. But if you pause a little bit and think about what he's doing, there's hardly any substance to it.
                No it's you looking for excuses for your Microsoft hate. Don't worry; it's only basic psychology. If it was Windows 95's interface you'd be bitching about GUIs being shittier than bash prompts. That shit won't trick me.

                I'm still using KDE whever I get the chance, but like with many things as soon as I think I had ditched Windows, something comes along that requires me to boot into it...
                Last edited by V!NCENT; 06-07-2011, 04:05 PM.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by d2kx View Post
                  I thought iOS 5 was going to be a major update. However, it turns out that OS X Lion and especially iOS 5 are a complete joke
                  I watched a quick video and couldn't find much difference from iOS 4. The only thing that stood out was twitter integration. What else is new?

                  Apple doesn't usually do dramatic changes to its products with each new release, but still they could at least change the background image...

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                    If it was Windows 95's interface you'd be bitching about GUIs being shittier than bash prompts.
                    Uh, no.

                    When Windows 95 came out, Unix users had been using GUIs at least as sophisticated on their workstations for years.

                    This is more like Compiz on crack. When Compiz first came out I enabled various 'cool' animation effects, but soon realised that they were just sucking up power that could be better used elsewhere and turned them off.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by movieman View Post
                      Uh, no.

                      When Windows 95 came out, Unix users had been using GUIs at least as sophisticated on their workstations for years.

                      This is more like Compiz on crack. When Compiz first came out I enabled various 'cool' animation effects, but soon realised that they were just sucking up power that could be better used elsewhere and turned them off.
                      The point is the extreme simplicity of the interface.

                      Now you all start jumping around and screaming "OMG my PC will be worthless with these interfaces", while that's simply not true. Multitouch trackpads can be used as mouses (Apple sells them with their desktop computers instead of the mouse). Now you'll probably start screaming a lot harder "OMG trackpads?!", but considder Apple's three finger "Mission Control"-gesture. If anything fixes anything related to window management on touch based devices, it's this. I'll gradly hand over my mouse.

                      Here's the Mission Control thing from Mac OS X: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG9l1l2cZ-E
                      PS: What lacks in this video is the ability to manage multiple workspaces from there as well, you can drag and drop a window into a different virtual desktop.

                      And no you can keep your damned mouse for other tasks, just like you can have a gamepad for your PC...
                      Last edited by V!NCENT; 06-08-2011, 10:27 AM.

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                      • #41
                        i never tested mac or hackintosh , major bug of linux is they always reinvent the wheel : like the ati/nv card drivers or hard-drive filesystem .
                        that is around 15 years i test it to check if it is useable , latest release are , may be my last . i wonder google and intel will build some new and clever os . something linux does not seem to be able to create : a working gui with drivers and easy to-go

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by jcgeny View Post
                          [...] major bug of linux is they always reinvent the wheel : like the ati/nv card drivers or hard-drive filesystem .
                          The graphics driver is easy. Galium is a switch to shader drivers instead of pipeline. Microsoft did the same thing with DirectX 10 and thus the driver architecture for graphics since Vista was turned inside out. New drivers needed to be made and they were shitty, hence the Vista crashes. Today that's fixed, Windows 7 is exactly like Vista, but people don't know it.

                          Apple is stuck with pipeline crap. They are stuck at OpenGL 2.1. Still no upgrade with Mac OS X 1.7.

                          As for the file systems... Windows went from FAT to NTFS. Apple also upgraded but I don't know why. Linux is currently in need of a good SSD solution so hence the mess over there. Yet every filesystem in Linux has it's particular advantage.

                          i wonder google and intel will build some new and clever os . something linux does not seem to be able to create : a working gui with drivers and easy to-go
                          Linux is more or less a pile of Lego. What you probably are after is the distributions. Well... There is no good tablet edition UI for Linux, I'll gibve you that. What would also help is more people being funded to work onthe graphics acceleration arena. It's comming though. The question is when the FLOSS drivers are at an allround polish level... r300 realy is too old...

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by jcgeny View Post
                            i never tested mac or hackintosh , major bug of linux is they always reinvent the wheel : like the ati/nv card drivers or hard-drive filesystem .
                            that is around 15 years i test it to check if it is useable , latest release are , may be my last . i wonder google and intel will build some new and clever os . something linux does not seem to be able to create : a working gui with drivers and easy to-go
                            What bullshit are you trying to say? There won't be any clever OS than Linux soon (or ever). Are you claiming there's no working gui with the drivers and easy to-go?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                              The point is the extreme simplicity of the interface.
                              The point is that simple interfaces generally only work for simple tasks.

                              And gesture-based interfaces are never simple because you have no idea what gestures do what unless you've already seen someone use them; at least with a standard GUI you can play around in the menus and try random things until you find the option you're looking for. It's even worse than replacing menus with 'simple' meaningless icons that then need tool tips so you can see what the hell that weird splodge that looks like a gopher that just got run over is supposed to do.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                                The graphics driver is easy. Galium is a switch to shader drivers instead of pipeline. Microsoft did the same thing with DirectX 10 and thus the driver architecture for graphics since Vista was turned inside out. New drivers needed to be made and they were shitty, hence the Vista crashes. Today that's fixed, Windows 7 is exactly like Vista, but people don't know it.

                                Apple is stuck with pipeline crap. They are stuck at OpenGL 2.1. Still no upgrade with Mac OS X 1.7.
                                Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                                What bullshit are you trying to say? There won't be any clever OS than Linux soon (or ever). Are you claiming there's no working gui with the drivers and easy to-go?
                                i saw that "aero" update with f15 or ubuntu11 , most of the time gnome3 failed to load despite i have a hd5k
                                my opinion about these aero thingies is not that good , shaders are made for 3d games and some mplayers use them very well with movies rendering . by the way ati and nv do make drivers that have patents inside . they are very good so i do not see why putting a lot of energy to create a "free one" . i recognize free drivers have good points but others cards for sound or tv or else have NO-DRIVERS at all .

                                @kraftman may be you think some clever people create some good softwares for linux and i agree , but linux is very boring with all its "roots rules" that are not needed by most users and impeach them of doing changes example : adding a firmware in the lib folder ...


                                Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                                As for the file systems... Windows went from FAT to NTFS. Apple also upgraded but I don't know why. Linux is currently in need of a good SSD solution so hence the mess over there. Yet every filesystem in Linux has it's particular advantage.

                                Linux is more or less a pile of Lego. What you probably are after is the distributions. Well... There is no good tablet edition UI for Linux, I'll give you that. What would also help is more people being funded to work on the graphics acceleration arena. It's coming though. The question is when the FLOSS drivers are at an allround polish level... r300 realy is too old...

                                yes , it s a lego because it compiles a lot of free software but even here they start to have fun benching filesystems -> example at first page : Linux 2.6.39: XFS Speeds-Up, EXT4 & Btrfs Unchanged

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