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  • #31
    So the real issue here is a bug with BulletProofX, it should keep the old log file about.

    That's it!

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    • #32
      The old file is created by Xorg itself btw. - as soon as you start the xserver the last one gets renamed and a new is written.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Kano View Post
        The old file is created by Xorg itself btw. - as soon as you start the xserver the last one gets renamed and a new is written.
        So is this what a *proper* setup should do?
        - Try to use a fully accelerated driver
        - Check to see if it fails
        - If it doesn't, leave it alone, otherwise cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log to /var/log/Xorg.0.log.failed
        - Make X use VESA, and restart X

        Right?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Kano View Post
          I dislike those automatic features. They are not really helpful for debugging, well maybe for noobs
          Agreed.

          I absolutely fscking HATE bulletproof X. I can't believe it was included to begin with.

          The worst part, was that it kept spawning new processes, turning what would be as simple as stopping gdm through init into a task requiring some serious bash foo.

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          • #35
            Hey, I'm sure that thing doesn't come with gentoo or slackware or whatever other non-n00b distro you use. Why does it bother you?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Vadi View Post
              Hey, I'm sure that thing doesn't come with gentoo or slackware or whatever other non-n00b distro you use. Why does it bother you?
              Though I don't use Ubuntu any more (due to stupid decisions like BulletProofX), it bothers me that it's included because Ubuntu support sucks and their users end up in #compiz-fusion trying to get their drivers working :-)

              Adam

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              • #37
                Of course. Instead of sitting on an 800x600 res troubleshooting, you'd like them to get a terminal so that they have absolutely no idea what to do and boot between windows to troubleshoot?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Vadi View Post
                  Of course. Instead of sitting on an 800x600 res troubleshooting, you'd like them to get a terminal so that they have absolutely no idea what to do and boot between windows to troubleshoot?
                  We've been over this. I'd like BulletProofX to do the right thing and backup a copy of the helpful /var/log/Xorg.0.log file.

                  Barring that, then yes I'd prefer that a few users get offended by being dropped to a TTY, complain to Ubuntu, and a better solution get developed as a result.

                  Adam

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                  • #39
                    Chances are, they won't complain. They'll simply go away.

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                    • #40
                      I guess we just have different ideas on mind for linux. I see it as a tool I can use. You see it as a tool everyone should use.

                      Adam

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                      • #41
                        Not 'should' but 'should be able to'. Because I then get better support for this tool, and you do too. And you paradoxically seem to be keen on making it not usable, while helping people with it anyway.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Vadi View Post
                          Not 'should' but 'should be able to'. Because I then get better support for this tool, and you do too. And you paradoxically seem to be keen on making it not usable, while helping people with it anyway.
                          I don't believe that all tools should be able to be used by everyone. Cars are tools but, frankly, some people are so stupid they shouldn't be allowed to drive them :-)

                          Adam

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Vadi View Post
                            Hey, I'm sure that thing doesn't come with gentoo or slackware or whatever other non-n00b distro you use. Why does it bother you?
                            No, I've been using ubuntu since Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog).

                            You don't seem to understand that "usability" does not equal "ease of use"

                            Yes, bulletproofX made it easier to solve problems IN SOME CASES, but overall it created the same kind of hard to solve problems that made me move away from windows to begin with.

                            Also it makes it harder to provide support to new users, because it makes things harder to dagnose.

                            Originally posted by adamk View Post
                            We've been over this. I'd like BulletProofX to do the right thing and backup a copy of the helpful /var/log/Xorg.0.log file.

                            Barring that, then yes I'd prefer that a few users get offended by being dropped to a TTY, complain to Ubuntu, and a better solution get developed as a result.

                            Adam
                            I agree on this one.

                            Originally posted by adamk View Post
                            I guess we just have different ideas on mind for linux. I see it as a tool I can use. You see it as a tool everyone should use.

                            Adam
                            As a follow up to what adam said, You should stop thinking about what some "hypthetical" users might do once they run into a simple issue.

                            Just for the record, I HAPPEN TO BE A GODDAMN USER TOO YOU KNOW, I TOO COULD JUST MOVE BACK TO WINDOWS.

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                            • #44
                              Just because you're OK with starting at a terminal after an upgrade or install, it doesn't mean everybody is.

                              A 800x600 res with a mouse is a lot better than a terminal with no proper introduction.

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