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    Phoronix: The X Window System Turns 30 Years Old Today

    It was on this day 30 years ago that the X Window System was first announced...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTcyNDQ

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    Michael, are you in Moscow right now?

    I see glimpses of my homeland on your pics

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    • #3
      Happy birthday!

      Happy birthday X!!

      I hope you won't die for another five more years or so.

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      • #4
        To another 30!

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        • #5
          30 years is enough. Lets give space for the younger, cough, Wayland

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          • #6
            It's time to replace X with W (wayland).

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            • #7
              Cheers

              edit: It is oldtimer but it is not older than GNU , X is born 9 months after GNU initiated .
              Last edited by dungeon; 06-19-2014, 06:41 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Adonai View Post
                Michael, are you in Moscow right now?

                I see glimpses of my homeland on your pics
                He said a few days ago he was on his way to Russia, so if you're seeing yourself in there, then he's probably landed =D

                And 30 years. Wow, even MS can't even compete with that.

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                • #9
                  X11 and X12

                  We're highly unlikely to ever see X12, since we're transitioning to Wayland.
                  Then everything will run on top of Wayland, except legacy applications that run with backward-compatibility on XWayland, hence still X11.

                  I think they should remove all the unnecessary stuff from the X11 protocol though, so left is a smaller subset of the X11 protocol.
                  It could be called microX11 or X11-Lite or something.

                  Then X.org could conform to the new subset protocol instead of the full fledged X11 protocol, that way we could have a leaner code base that was faster, more secure, and less buggy.
                  It wouldn't be backwards-compatible with 30 year old X11 applications, but who cares, its not anyway since software are dynamically linked against more recent version of glibc and such.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                    We're highly unlikely to ever see X12, since we're transitioning to Wayland.
                    Then everything will run on top of Wayland, except legacy applications that run with backward-compatibility on XWayland, hence still X11.

                    I think they should remove all the unnecessary stuff from the X11 protocol though, so left is a smaller subset of the X11 protocol.
                    It could be called microX11 or X11-Lite or something.

                    Then X.org could conform to the new subset protocol instead of the full fledged X11 protocol, that way we could have a leaner code base that was faster, more secure, and less buggy.
                    It wouldn't be backwards-compatible with 30 year old X11 applications, but who cares, its not anyway since software are dynamically linked against more recent version of glibc and such.
                    In some sense Wayland is X12. It is just that they decided not to name it X12.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by stikonas View Post
                      In some sense Wayland is X12. It is just that they decided not to name it X12.
                      Because the design of X is fundamentally different from Wayland..

                      A network transparency layer used by the toolkit above Wayland would be X12, now whether there will be enough interest to make it even though you can use X11 on top of Wayland..
                      It could still be interesting because X11 could be improved for remote display, but I doubt that there is enough interest to make such project as to be useful you'd need adoption of the toolkits which is far from guaranteed..

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by renox View Post
                        Because the design of X is fundamentally different from Wayland..

                        A network transparency layer used by the toolkit above Wayland would be X12, now whether there will be enough interest to make it even though you can use X11 on top of Wayland..
                        It could still be interesting because X11 could be improved for remote display, but I doubt that there is enough interest to make such project as to be useful you'd need adoption of the toolkits which is far from guaranteed..
                        a much larger difference than network transparency - which is really just a detail - is that x11 is designed around the client requesting rendering operations from the server, rather than the client handing pre-rendered buffers to the server.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dungeon View Post
                          Cheers

                          edit: It is oldtimer but it is not older than GNU , X is born 9 months after GNU initiated .
                          Well it's a good thing that X.Org's message said GPL rather than GNU :P

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                          • #14
                            Bogus announcement

                            The 25th anniversary posting on Phoronix was in September, not June.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RonJohn View Post
                              The 25th anniversary posting on Phoronix was in September, not June.
                              Right? I didn't say X11 was born in June.... X11 anniversary is in September. The X Window System anniversary is on 19 June; what the article is talking about today and only mentioned in a sentence X11 turned 25 back two years ago.
                              Michael Larabel
                              http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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