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  • We Have Mir & Wayland, But There Still Could Be X12

    Phoronix: We Have Mir & Wayland, But There Still Could Be X12

    While the Mir Display Server and the Wayland protocol are widely viewed as the next-generation display technologies for Linux systems, there's already been delays with Mir and Wayland hasn't yet been widely adopted. Even if/when Mir and Wayland manage to lift off, the X.Org Server won't suddenly die and will be supported for years to come...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQ3NjI

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    Michael while writing: tongue in cheek & grabbing a big bag of popcorn

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    • #3
      The expressed "good stuff" about X11 right now is the network transparency[...]
      X11 is not network transparent, and hasn't been for a while.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Daktyl198 View Post
        X11 is not network transparent, and hasn't been for a while.
        X11 is network transparent.
        It's the extensions that usually aren't.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mark45 View Post
          Michael while writing: tongue in cheek & grabbing a big bag of popcorn
          Probably he wants to get a good start in the Oct/Fall advertising season with this flame bait trolling.

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          • #6
            Oh please, stop this competition. Just focus on Wayland and forget the rest. Keep a small team to maintain X11 and fix urgent issues and use the rest of the resources to improve Wayland.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Pajn View Post
              X11 is network transparent.
              It's the extensions that usually aren't.
              Okay, let me rephrase that:
              SHM and DRI2 (which are the only two that are used anymore) don't work over a network.
              Thus, X.org is "Network capable" but not "Network Transparent".

              Source: http://mirror.linux.org.au/linux.con...land_and_X.ogv
              Jump to the 18 minute mark to hear him say X.org is not network transparent :P

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Daktyl198 View Post
                Okay, let me rephrase that:
                SHM and DRI2 (which are the only two that are used anymore) don't work over a network.
                Thus, X.org is "Network capable" but not "Network Transparent".

                Source: http://mirror.linux.org.au/linux.con...land_and_X.ogv
                Jump to the 18 minute mark to hear him say X.org is not network transparent :P
                The core X11 protocol is. But sure, no one uses it anymore.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by sarmad View Post
                  Oh please, stop this competition. Just focus on Wayland and forget the rest. Keep a small team to maintain X11 and fix urgent issues and use the rest of the resources to improve Wayland.
                  There's no competition. X12 is just a few ideas floating around without anyone even considering creating it. And Mir is distribution-specific, thus doesn't affect the majority of Linux.

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                  • #10
                    Wayland

                    I believe Wayland will take over.

                    I don't believe there will ever be an X12, a new fresh protocol written from the ground up as a successor to X11.

                    However, it would be cool with X11-Lite or X11. A light version of X11, a subset of X11 without all the legacy stuff that is not used today on a modern computer.

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                    • #11
                      This Phoronix topic is about as interesting....

                      ...as that unsuccessful Wayland fork by a lone developer awhile back.... or better yet, as interesting as Mir's technical advantages over Wayland.

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                      • #12
                        Between Mir, Wayland and X12 i prefer... X11 !

                        Now seriously...i doubt that anyone will ever make a X12.

                        Mir is distro specific....or at most will be used by direct derivatives.
                        However, we can not disregard the weight of those derivatives.
                        Way too many distros are Ubuntu derivative...will the responsible for
                        those derivatives capacity to force and maintain Wayland against their
                        main source for their distros ?
                        Mir also seem very imature...for now.

                        Wayland is waaaayyy too new...you can bet i won't want to be a guinea pig...i want something truly stable...Wayland at least for now won't work (if ever will) with blobs and for *now* blobs are way faster than OSS drivers.
                        *I* want max performance...when max performance can be achieved by Wayland (or Mir), i will have no problem using it.

                        Then there is the Enterprise sector very committed to X11...just like they are to sub-D connectors (AKA VGA connector) , PS2, etc.
                        (an example...at least in Europe...any LCD OEM continues to make and evolve 1280x1024 LCDs that, AFAIK, continue all use only sub-D connection...there is a reason for that...funny thing is that is also my favorite type of monitor...16:9 is fantastic...for a TV/Living Room but besides that i prefer good old 5:4 )

                        Most natural thing is Enterprises continue to use/want X11.

                        So , yeah, X11 will stay with us for a long long time...even at Desktop level.

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                        • #13
                          In terms of Internet trolling, I think Michael is coming close to unseating Gaben from the top spot.

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                          • #14
                            Let it die in peace. No more X for Linux, please.

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                            • #15
                              Could Wayland evolve into X12?

                              Or even Mir.

                              I don't know enough about X to know how it all comes together. (x-server and the other components)

                              But I have noticed over quite some time now how the x.org guys work on the x server by itself and release it separately with its own versioning number. This is the basis of my question. Why could not Wayland or some other display server form the basis of a new X, once all of the details are ironed out and add-ons put in place?

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